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Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by rodgerd on Sunday July 09, 2023 @08:14PM (#36660468)
The software developers who were maintaining X?

Perhaps you could show them how it's done, since apparently you can do a better job. They've certainly been clear that they're happy for anyone who wants to take over Xorg, yet no-one from the peanut gallery ever does.

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by sprash on Monday July 10, 2023 @01:37AM (#36662507)
It's a matter of funding. X11 development is not funded anymore whereas Wayland is heavily funded through proxies like Collabora or Igalia. It is unclear who are the originators of that money since those proxy orgs don't disclose who funds them.

Since Wayland is a horribly complicated protocol that makes doing even the simplest tasks a major chore I would consider it sabotage. There are multiple billion+ dollar corps out there with a severe interest in a non fuctional FOSS ecosystem.

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by growse on Monday July 10, 2023 @01:58AM (#36662634)
A wild conspiracy theory appears!

Of course, like any good conspiracy, it's very competent and expansive, managing to simultaneously secretly convince all the major distros to use it by default and cruelly suppressing any efforts to provide funding and engineering effort towards X11.

In reality, Wayland works great for most Linux desktop users (on the mainstream distros) and no-one is funding X because no-one wants to.

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by sprash on Monday July 10, 2023 @02:44AM (#36662881)
EEE was a conspiracy theory as well until the Heloween documents were published.

Also no Wayland does not work great for most Linux desktop users. Even not in reality. It works incredibly well at making the life for application developers extra hard though.

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by Monsterovich on Monday July 10, 2023 @10:42AM (#36667179)
> In reality, Wayland works great for most Linux desktop users (on the mainstream distros) and no-one is funding X because no-one wants to.

Actually, because it's ready and it works. And yes, most distributions use Xorg by default and all attempts to switch to Wayland fail, ex. Ubuntu. (maybe GNOME is an exception, but it's probably the only DE where Wayland somehow works).

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by growse on Monday July 10, 2023 @11:10AM (#36667581)
> And yes, most distributions use Xorg by default and all attempts to switch to Wayland fail, ex. Ubuntu. (maybe GNOME is an exception, but it's probably the only DE where Wayland somehow works).

This is just false. Wayland's the default in Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian (how many users is that?) etc. And it works just fine out of the box on Gnome and KDE/Plasma, the two big DEs.

Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by kaba0 on Monday July 10, 2023 @04:53AM (#36663664)
Oh, can I also get some of that sweet Wayland money? I’m sure that sub-3% desktop users is such a good market. Seriously, these conteo people really have trouble with rational thought — a goddamn chrome extension would be a bigger market.
Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by sprash on Monday July 10, 2023 @05:18AM (#36663861)
The money is paid for Wayland to make sure the FOSS desktop will stay sub-3%. You obviously don't understand the concept of sabotage. (And yes literally millions of dollars have been invested into Wayland)
Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by vetinari on Monday July 10, 2023 @05:39AM (#36663991)
Millions were invested into Automotive Grade Linux, of which Wayland is a part. Minus the xdg-shell stuff, of course, which isn't needed there.
Re:Wayland on OpenBSD by robertlagrant on Monday July 10, 2023 @05:39AM (#36663987)
Millions of dollars sounds like a lot until you realise a million dollars is a team of 5 for a year.