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Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by kneebonian on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:10AM (#36632913)
Seems that the biggest problem all relates to an unstable family life.

Hey you guys remember when in the 80s we convinced all the women that it would be empowering and freeing to start slaving away as a corporate drone and that would be the best life for them, that kids didn't need 2 parents at home?

Isn't it great how that panned out.

Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by EatingWithForks on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:21AM (#36633086)
I don't think you understand: poor women have never been able to afford to be a stay at home mother. Stay at home motherhood has always been a middle class and above lifestyle. Wealthier women employ the nannies and maids that are obviously overwhelmingly women who aren't at home.

I wouldn't attribute a lack of home stability to women empowerment. A lack of home stability is often caused by poverty. A poor mother cannot afford not to work, cannot afford suitable environments to raise her children while she works, and must make difficult decisions regarding proper nourishment/safe place to sleep/access to utilities/physical presence.

Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by sarchertech on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:31AM (#36633244)
Historically poor, married women did tend to stay at home, but frequently worked from the home sewing or washing etc…

Childcare and household chores were too time intensive for a woman with small children to go off to work.

Nannies and maids were generally unmarried, childless women.

I’m the early 20th century only 5% of married women worked outside the home in the US https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-history-of-womens-wor...

Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by keenboy on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:08PM (#36633840)
You're not looking back far enough historically.
Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by jacknews on Friday July 07, 2023 @11:18AM (#36633042)
sure everything would be rosy if women just spent their time breastfeeding somewhere near the sink or cooker.
Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by keenboy on Friday July 07, 2023 @12:08PM (#36633833)
We've fallen prey to the philosophy that being at home with kids isn't adding value to society. You should be out making some big corporation wealthy!
Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by fknorangesite on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:47PM (#36635503)
> I'm not saying women shouldn't be in the workforce

Whether you intended to or not, it is exactly what you were saying.

Re:Charter schools, social norming and zero-sum games by ndriscoll on Saturday July 08, 2023 @11:32AM (#36645362)
"Women shouldn't be in the workforce" is a statement with ambiguous and even opposite meanings (with regard to why), so I think GP's intent is probably better captured by a statement like "raising children and maintaining the home is more important, more impactful, and more fulfilling work than almost all work outside the home".

When my daughter was born, a coworker asked if I hope she'll be a programmer one day, and my answer was that I hope not; I want her to be able to stay at home like her mother, and if she can't and has to work some corporate job, that means I will have somehow failed her. If she wants a job like mine, then again I will have probably failed her somehow.