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Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by sh34r on Thursday July 06, 2023 @09:47PM (#36625964)
It seems to me that Nvidia has largely abandoned the consumer market in order to chase the seemingly-bottomless demand for AI hype. While AMD is more than happy to stay in their lane, continue making record profits on their same market, and not waste billions trying to catch up on 10 years of CUDA development. By the time they have anything remotely comparable, the AI grift will be over just like crypto. Tech grifts only have a 1-3 year cycle these days.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by TechnicolorByte on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:00PM (#36626045)
Really surprised to see such low effort commentary akin to Reddit/twitter on here.

In what way has Nvidia abandoned the consumer market? They have something like 80%+ market share on discrete gaming GPUs and still rake in billions a year from GeForce, which at their revenue is a sizable fraction.

And what makes you say that current AI hype is a grift? Do you truly think that the work with transformers is just a fad? I swear people on this site were saying the same thing about AI in general 3+ years ago before transformers blew up the scene.

Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by sh34r on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:40PM (#36626383)
Like crypto, fraud is the only use case that will pan out for transformers in the end.

We’ve been here before. ChatGPT isn’t functionally all that different from ELIZA from the 1960s. It’s tricking people just the same, into thinking it’s more than it really is.

I’m also eagerly awaiting the discovery process that will show that all of this generative AI was built on mass copyright infringement. OpenAI certainly ingested the entire z-library. They’d have to be stupid not to, right? If they didn’t use it, less ethical competitors would have beaten them to market.

Oh, I’m sure they used some sketchy subcontractor to do it. We’ve all seen a variation of this in our careers, where a dataset was acquired under questionable circumstances, and you don’t ask and don’t tell if you want to keep your job, right?

And that’s just speculation. There’s hard evidence for the Getty Images lawsuit.

Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by alpaca128 on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:12AM (#36627457)
Comparing ELIZA to GPT because it's not quite there yet is like comparing horse carriages to autonomous cars because they still have accidents. People have already found actual real-world uses for GPT, meanwhile ELIZA's most popular use-case is an obscure feature in Emacs.

Regarding the questionable training data I agree, but the likely outcome is that those AI models will be used regardless.

Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by photonerd on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:23PM (#36626245)
> I swear people on this site were saying the same thing about AI in general 3+ years ago before transformers blew up the scene.

They kind of weren’t super wrong. What people usually mean by this is that the product doesn’t match the hype. It very much didn’t.

Even now we’re only starting to catch up to the breathless promises from back then. Barely.

The main difference now is that the barrier to entry is lower so it’s starting to get some interesting uses cases come out

Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by ccheney on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:12PM (#36626148)
It's kinda strange seeing some people link advancements in transformer models with stuff like cryptos and NFTs. You've gotta ask, where are these thoughts coming from? Plus, the ongoing use of the 'stochastic parrot' argument is starting to feel a bit repetitive in these discussions.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by BoorishBears on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:22PM (#36626230)
The irony is that 99% of them haven't actually read the paper the term originated from.

One of it's only recurring warnings was the danger of underestimating what a "stochastic parrot" can do in practical terms.

Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by stcroixx on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:56PM (#36626511)
Their consumer stuff barely competes with itself. They can only get away with that because nobody is interested in that market. I’d also say current AI hype is hard to tell from a grift now - my team is doing some useless crap because CEO basically has tech FOMO. It’s so uncalled for and I’m only guessing not uncommon.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by alpaca128 on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:03AM (#36627388)
Companies doing useless crap with AI has been a thing long before the current AI popularity spike. I've heard a specialist complain about that trend 5 years ago, where clients couldn't say what they wanted to do with an AI but they "knew" they needed one. That doesn't make it a grift, though.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by thescriptkiddie on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:38AM (#36627631)
Nvida literally doubled the prices of their entire product line overnight and then spent their entire GDC keynote talking about how AI was going to eliminate the need for game developers.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by lexandstuff on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:25PM (#36626259)
I hate to break it to you, but crypto has been "over" many times, only to come roaring back. It's cyclical, based on the price of Bitcoin.

I expect people will go nuts about it again in a few years before temporarily abandoning it.

At least that was the case in 2011, 2013, 2017 and 2020-21.

I don't see any value in crypto projects personally, but if you think it's going away forever, expect disappointment.

Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by sh34r on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:51PM (#36626478)
As long as sanctions and ransomware exist, I don’t think it will ever fully die. But I don’t think the price will ever hit an ATH again without SBF, tether, and their co-conspirators pumping the price by printing stablecoins out of thin air.

Pretty much everyone has heard of crypto by now. The Ponzi scheme is out of marks. There will be no next time. Sell now if you’re still holding the bag.

Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by iraqmtpizza on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:23AM (#36627533)
crypto could stand still and inflation would bring it to an all-time high in a few years at this rate
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by sh34r on Friday July 07, 2023 @10:57AM (#36632713)
Inflation hurts speculative assets the most. In the last 2 years, BTC is down 50% despite inflation being at the highest level seen since the 1980s.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by jtriangle on Thursday July 06, 2023 @09:55PM (#36626017)
Best kept secret in the AI boom really is that you don't need a ton of local horsepower to run a model and do something useful, you only really need the grunt once, to do the training in a reasonable amount of time.

Combine that with the stuff that Mythic was working on in texas (before they ran out of burn) and we're looking at a world where, most people won't have a need for heavy GPU compute.

Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by narism on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:22PM (#36626229)
Mythic is supposedly back, they raised more money in March 2023.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by jtriangle on Friday July 07, 2023 @01:23PM (#36635123)
Oh hell yeah, super happy for them. They've got the right idea for edgeAI stuff, I hope they can survive, or, at least sell their IP to someone big and buy a few acres to DGAF on.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by sh34r on Thursday July 06, 2023 @09:58PM (#36626033)
It’s gonna take another decade before the suits at F500 companies figure that out, though. You wouldn’t believe the wasteful nonsense that’s in production already…
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by peddling-brink on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:17PM (#36626191)
What is the ai grift? It’s doing real things. Some of those things are shitty, but that doesn’t make it a grift.
Re:Why Nvidia Keeps Winning: The Rise of an AI Giant by ericd on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:26PM (#36626269)
I'm guessing it's a gut feeling based on seeing a lot of the same types of influencers who used to endlessly hype up crypto now making similar noise about AI. But I agree that that assessment is unfair to AI, even if the hype is ahead of current abilities.