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Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by voldacar on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @06:15PM (#36607936)
>How do we ensure AI systems much smarter than humans follow human intent?

What is human intent? My intents may be very different from most humans. It seems like ClosedAI wants their system to follow the desires of some people and not others, but without describing which ones or why.

Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by rfergie on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @06:41PM (#36608219)
> It seems like ClosedAI wants their system to follow the desires of some people and not others, but without describing which ones or why

If the problem is "unaligned AI will destroy humanity" then I'd take a system aligned with the desires of some people but not others over the unaligned alternative

Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by ben_w on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @06:37PM (#36608176)
You're seeing what you want to see.

They're repeatedly very specific about the whole "this can kill all of us if we do it wrong", so it's more than a little churlish to parrot the name "ClosedAI" when they're announcing hiring a researcher to figure out how to align with anyone, at all, even in principle.

Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by junon on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @07:56PM (#36608979)
I'm still a bit hung up on "it can kill all of us". How?
Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by ctoth on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @10:29PM (#36610275)
Here's an article[0] and a good short story[1] explaining exactly this.

[0]: No Physical Substrate, No Problem https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/07/no-physical-substrate-...

[1]: It Looks Like You're Trying To Take Over The World https://gwern.net/fiction/clippy

Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by junon on Thursday July 06, 2023 @03:26AM (#36612473)
The clippy example already starts out with many assumptions that simply aren't true today.

LLMs are not going to destroy humanity. We need a paradigm shift and a new model for AI for that to happen. ClosedAI is irresponsibly trying to create hype and mystery around their product, which always sells.

Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by ben_w on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:14AM (#36612809)
Will you please stop calling them ClosedAI? That just comes across like a playground taunt, like "libtard" or "CONservative".
Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by junon on Friday July 07, 2023 @04:09AM (#36628705)
I'll call them what they are. Closed and antithetical to their original goals.
Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by ben_w on Thursday July 06, 2023 @03:25AM (#36612464)
Did you ever play the old "Pandemic" flash game? https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/Pandemic

Doing that would be self-destructive, but that doesn't mean it won't happen (reference classes: insanity, cancer).

If the AI can invent and order a von Neumann probe — the first part is the hard part, custom parts orders over the internet is already a thing — that it can upload itself to, then it can block out (and start disassembling) the sun in a matter of decades with reasonable-looking reproduction rates (though obviously we're guessing what reasonable looks like).

AI taking over brain implants and turning against everyone without them like a zombie war (also a plot device in web serial The Deathworlders, futuristic Sci-fi so this isn't on Earth, but the same AI genocides multiple species over millions of years).

Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by antifa on Thursday July 06, 2023 @07:25AM (#36614226)
To be realistic, I'm more worried about McDonald's or Musk doing all of that.
Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by ben_w on Thursday July 06, 2023 @10:54AM (#36616943)
They're an easy reference class, to be sure, though not the only one.

If I'm framing the problem for an anti-capitalist audience, I'd ask something like:

Imagine the billionaire you hate the most. The worst of them. Now give them a highly competent sycophant that doesn't need to sleep, and will do even their most insane requests without question or remorse…

what can go wrong in this scenario?

Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by gre345t34 on Thursday July 06, 2023 @04:37AM (#36612981)
It's like murder but scaled up.
Re:OpenAI: Introducing SuperAlignment by aidenn0 on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @08:32PM (#36609294)
Sure, there are some humans who want to destroy all of humanity, but that seems to be twisting the obvious meaning of "human intent" in this context.

They have been very clear on "why." The goal is to prevent enslavement and/or extinction of the human race by a super-intelligent AI.