Re:Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)
by pixl97 on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @01:26AM
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Right, art can only be anti-establishment...
Might as well cancel the law and put up Wal-mart signs.
Re:Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)
by mcpackieh on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @01:33PM
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I assert that establishmentarian propaganda is soulless trash, and you conclude that I want more corporate propaganda? You seem very confused.
Re:Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)
by pixl97 on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @03:30PM
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So you've established yourself as the arbiter of what is both establishment and propaganda... Did you become the thing you hate?
This may be a case where you spend so much time trying to be contrarian and not asking "Would getting what I want actually improve anything in the world".
Re:Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)
by camgunz on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @09:41AM
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This really stretches the meaning of propaganda almost to the point where it's synonymous with individual speech. Propaganda is systematic opinion making where some group does things like call tons of people or distribute tons of leaflets, or astroturf internet forums. It's not the same thing as putting up a mural on a building you own, or a sign in your yard.
I think a mural could be part of a propaganda campaign, but I don't think by themselves they merit the categorization.
Re:Sao Paulo: A city with no outdoor advertisements (2013)
by mcpackieh on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @01:36PM
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> it's synonymous with individual speech.
Graffiti is individual speech, murals commissioned by the local government to glorify itself are not.
In other words, they're propaganda. At least in the case of graffiti with social commentary, anybody can go out there and put their message up. Murals with social messages are propaganda sanctioned by the property owner, or even commissioned by the government, making it establishmentarian propaganda that pretends to be transgression by adopting the superficial form of unsanctioned graffiti. Such murals are tacky and inauthentic; scrawled gang signs have more soul.