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Re:Ask HN: As people in “tech”, are we inside an AI echo cha... by ben_w on Monday July 03, 2023 @12:30PM (#36575293)
> GDP stays flat or grows while the number of jobs is reduced

I lack the economics knowledge to do more than parrot the response I've heard to this, so take this with the appropriate level of "hmmm":

As I understand it, the counter-claim is that the measure of GDP mostly excludes exactly the set of things that grows absurdly fast.

For example, the measure of inflation may include the cost of a smartphone in the standard basket of goods, but not the fact the GPU of a smartphone (or Apple TV) of today, operating in double precision mode, can do more than the Numerical Wind Tunnel supercomputer in 1993 costing 100 million dollars.

Or that everyone has a free encyclopaedia a hundred times the size of the Encyclopædia Britannica.

And maps which for most users are as good as Ordnance Survey, but free and worldwide, when the actual OS prices for just the UK is… currently discounted to £2,818.17, from £4,025.97.

Or that getting you genome sequenced now costs a grand rather than 3 billion. Although that might not yet even be in the basket, I don't know where the actual baskets of goods get listed in most cases, and search results aren't helping — one result, on a government website, lists "health", but even digging into the spreadsheet didn't illuminate much detail there.

Re:Ask HN: As people in “tech”, are we inside an AI echo cha... by tim333 on Monday July 03, 2023 @02:29PM (#36577027)
That is true. Switching from buying Britannica to using Wikipedia is counted as a reduction in GDP as GDP counts what you spend and Wikipedia is free, even if it's better.

The UK basket of goods is here https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/arti... and the various sublinks.

Re:Ask HN: As people in “tech”, are we inside an AI echo cha... by xp84 on Monday July 03, 2023 @06:13PM (#36579489)
> …genome costs…

Source: This week’s Kurzgesagt, right?

Re:Ask HN: As people in “tech”, are we inside an AI echo cha... by ben_w on Tuesday July 04, 2023 @04:24AM (#36583775)
Not only but also; this was a thing I was aware of this years back, but Kurzgesagt is a nice bit of easy watching when I'm eating dinner.
Re:Ask HN: As people in “tech”, are we inside an AI echo cha... by light_hue_1 on Wednesday July 05, 2023 @09:29AM (#36600185)
Good. GDP should not include any of those things. Those are tools. GDP includes outputs and impacts.

Maybe you design a wrench that is 1000x cheaper and faster to use and more reliable. Well, if it makes your car building operation 0.0001% faster, that's the impact. The details of the wrench and how impressive it is are irrelevant to any observer.

If having your genome sequenced leads to far longer or better lives then we would see the impact in productivity. Same with everything else on the list.