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Re:The problem with federated web apps by Gareth321 on Sunday July 02, 2023 @04:10AM (#36559399)
Sadly Lemmy’s implementation is quite poor. The owner of each instance can choose which other instances to federate with. So shortly after the Reddit exodus, many are already forming tight ideological bubbles. For example, Beehaw defederated with almost every other instance because they want an ideological safe space. This despite the fact that the protocol already gives individuals plenty of tools to block and avoid users and communities they don’t like. So there is a strong push to control the experience for all users in an instance, instead of allowing individuals that control. And I see a lot of support for this model in other, “less” authoritarian instances like lemmy.world.

I think many people are just very authoritarian today, and don’t appreciate the internet as we knew it 20 years ago. They’re not content to control how they interact with the internet. They want to control how everyone interacts.

Re:The problem with federated web apps by Semaphor on Sunday July 02, 2023 @05:57AM (#36559974)
Beehaw did not do that. They defederated 2 large ones because of open sign ups, and Lemmy not having other modding/admin tools available yet
Re:The problem with federated web apps by Gareth321 on Sunday July 02, 2023 @07:00AM (#36560277)
That was the claim, but it’s clearly a lie. First, they’ve defederated with and blocked hundreds of instances, not two. It looks like close to 1,000. You can review yourself here: https://beehaw.org/instances

Second, it appears they have even more moderators than the instances with which they defederated. More than enough to keep illegal content off the instance. But that’s not the intended goal. They want content off the instance which is ideologically opposed to the owner. They make that clear in the instance description. They want more moderation than Reddit, which is already filled with insular ideological spaces.

The users are all very much on board with this ideological purity. They freely admit it, so I’m not sure why you would contend it.

Re:The problem with federated web apps by Semaphor on Sunday July 02, 2023 @07:05AM (#36560298)
> It looks like close to 1,000

It’s 400. Versus over 3000 linked instances. That does not sound like an insanely long list, considering how many spam instances there are and those with questionable content.

Re:The problem with federated web apps by Gareth321 on Sunday July 02, 2023 @08:11AM (#36560717)
> It’s 400.

I don’t understand how this argues against my premise. This is decisive evidence that they want strict ideological adherence.

Re:The problem with federated web apps by lyu07282 on Sunday July 02, 2023 @07:43AM (#36560501)
I'm unconvinced the majority of people are like this, but the type of person who becomes a moderator will be, it's self selection. This happens in every community on any subject matter, I've seen moderators on power trips in phpBB forums 20 years ago, it's nothing new.

The type of person who we want as moderator don't want to be moderators. A real decentral solution needs to give power and sovereignty to the users and take it away from admins and moderators. Some group of elite privileged few federated servers with all the power, demonstrates how worthless Lemmy and fediverse are.

Re:The problem with federated web apps by MissTake on Sunday July 02, 2023 @09:10AM (#36561161)
Not a fan of ideological censorship myself, but deferderating from instances such as pedo.school, cum.camp, various kiwifarms instances and hentai.baby, seem reasonable to me.
Re:The problem with federated web apps by Gareth321 on Sunday July 02, 2023 @11:57AM (#36562673)
Sure, but they defederated from a lot more than those four instances. They also defederated from 400 others, including lemmy.world, which is about as milquetoast as it gets.
Re:The problem with federated web apps by MissTake on Sunday July 02, 2023 @12:06PM (#36562785)
That’s my point. There’s valid reasons to defederate and then there’s ideological reasons.