Re:To Make More Stingers, US Needs to Revive Production Tech...
by SEJeff on Saturday July 01, 2023 @05:48PM
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I meant vs the USAF, with modern stealth multi role jets such as the F35. We can target their anti-air for long range GMLRS artillery / precision artillery like Excalibur, or with cruise missiles like tomahawks. The SEAD / DEAD missions seem quite appropriate for F35s.
Though I don’t full agree with Russia only using ground based air defense as the few newer generation jets Russia have are shooting down a lot of Ukrainian jets. They fly higher, faster, and can both lock and engage Ukrainian jets before the Ukrainian have even detected them.
Re:To Make More Stingers, US Needs to Revive Production Tech...
by greedo on Saturday July 01, 2023 @10:47PM
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Well, to be fair the the Ukrainians, they're flying old old Flankers and Fulcrums. Compared to Su-35 etc, it's no contest.
I think that the USAF will have its hands full overcoming Russia's A2AD environment, assuming it's set up and competently managed. The range on S300/S400 makes it hard to use anything other than Tomahawks and stealth aircraft to target. It definitely won't be like Baghdad during DS.
Re:To Make More Stingers, US Needs to Revive Production Tech...
by SEJeff on Saturday July 01, 2023 @11:29PM
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In the first 48 hours of the Afghanistan war, a tomahawk was launched, on average, every 12 seconds. To pivot back to near peer threats like china, the US Marine Corps now has a ground based tomahawk launcher[1] they can setup on small islands. Also, the US has a crapload more stealth aircraft than the Russians and the maintenance is actually performed on them.
[1] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/first-marine-corps-tom...
Re:To Make More Stingers, US Needs to Revive Production Tech...
by greedo on Sunday July 02, 2023 @10:15AM
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You're seriously comparing the air defense capability of Afghanistan against a near peer? I love the Tomahawk, and I think it still has some use until LRSO comes into inventory in significant numbers, but I think it's going to struggle against China if it comes to that. Even with saturation attacks, you'll have to have a lot of luck and careful planning to overwhelm China's A2AD.
Re:To Make More Stingers, US Needs to Revive Production Tech...
by KptMarchewa on Saturday July 01, 2023 @08:35PM
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HARM are operating at basically few percent of their capabilities, due to
- old C versions from early 90s - only working on pre-programmed target mode - no targeting pods like AN/ASQ-213
Re:To Make More Stingers, US Needs to Revive Production Tech...
by SEJeff on Saturday July 01, 2023 @11:30PM
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Indeed. Very little of what the US has sent Ukraine is the latest and greatest, though I’d expect that to change in the near term future.
Re:To Make More Stingers, US Needs to Revive Production Tech...
by LorenPechtel on Sunday July 02, 2023 @12:07PM
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Nobody's realistically trying to take down the Russian air defense network because they're not conducting strikes into Russian territory.
IIRC Russia is at 99% air defence effectiveness vs the start of the Ukraine war; i.e. it has not been materially degraded at all, despite HARM anti-radar missiles and so forth given to Ukraine.