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Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by TheOtherHobbes on Friday June 30, 2023 @04:46AM (#36532148)
Groups have responsibility.

Consider the opposing argument - groups have no responsibility for anything.

Does that seem like a reasonable position?

Consider an expansion of the argument - are there still situations in which one group consistently discriminates against and abuses another?

People are already in castes, defined by their lineage and physical (and economic) characteristics.

You don't break down the walls between castes by pretending they're not real.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by cturner on Friday June 30, 2023 @05:47AM (#36532455)
> Groups have responsibility.

Only those that have proxies to accountable individuals, as in the example of the corporation, and with its exceptions such as with limited liability. Or an association, which has a board and a charter.

> Consider the opposing argument - groups have no responsibility for anything. Does that seem like a reasonable position?

Apart from formal corporations/associations, that is the reasonable position. In the context of the case, "Asian Americans" have no moral or legal responsibility to give up opportunities to "African Americans".

Westerners are not in castes.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by soundnote on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:17AM (#36532974)
So, as an extreme case, should we jail Asian Americans because of the crimes of Unit 731? They're part of the same group, no?

One quibble with the word 'group' there, too: Ethnic groups are reference categories, not groups in the sense it'd make sense to think of groups as eg. decisionmaking entities that can be responsible for something.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by rpd9803 on Friday June 30, 2023 @08:35AM (#36533757)
some people just don't want to throw out the baby with the caste-water.
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by notSupplied on Friday June 30, 2023 @07:34PM (#36544096)
If groups have responsibility as you say, then Blacks as a group would have tremendous culpability for excess ratio of interracial murder committed by that group.

That of course, is a racist idea, because it assigns group responsibility to the murders committed by individuals.