That doesn't change the fact that this framework is an improvement on the status quo for Tesla owners. And presumably most Tesla owners are not like you, so what you would do is not super relevant to this discussion.

The question is, why does a car have to at all? And no, the closest we are is a car that could share data with the OEM, if you wanted, and we don't. As long as possible, I'd pass hard on cars where you don't have that choice.

With a Tesla you do have that choice.

https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/legal/privacy

If it is in the EU, yes you do. Just compare the difference between what Toyota does with customer data in the US and the EU. Preferably, I can remove the sim card myself and all connectivity stops. If I cannot do that hardware wise myself, I havw to assume I am tracked.

The different OEM approaches between the US and EU show you how important legislation is. Especiqlly since Tesla's zrack record regarding privacy is abysmal.

> Tesla's zrack record regarding privacy is abysmal.

Any particular examples you can share with us?

Tesla employees sharing memes derived from intimate in car camera footage? Cuts it for me.

Also, why would I want cameras inside my car? But that question is off topic.

The times Elon has shared in car video feeds to try and blame the driver for autopilot crashes, without that driver's authorization to do so. Legal? Sure, according to every stupid, untested EULA that everyone has to sign, but you didn't ask about legality.

Wow, that is a really dock move.

Probably not entirely legal no matter what EULA says, at least not in EU

It seems to be an anti-Tesla lie. I can find no reference to such a video.

I've never seen an in-car video feed shared by Tesla. Nor can I find any reference to such an incident.

  > If it is in the EU, yes you do

Then complain about (the lack of) US consumer protections, not Tesla.

What bout California?

Cool, but there are people who like to look at data, like Wh/km and efficiencies at different temperatures etc.

Funny thing I wanted to point out though, you sound like one of those people who say "I will buy a car that runs on gas, I've never wanted a vehicle that runs on electricity and my next one won't either... Not if I have anything to say about it".

I feel like I've seen so many of those comments lately... I want to ask why?

It's like me saying something like "my phone doesn't have a screen. I've always had an analog connection and I've never felt the need to have a digital screen and any smart apps on my phone... Etc etc not if I have anything to say about it."

Or perhaps even something like not wanting an automatic transmission because a manual transmission is the only way to go lol..

That's clearly not the point here.

The parent isn't rooting for ICE, he's rooting for having a vehicle that doesn't stream data to the outside.

There is nothing that mandates that a vehicle -whatever its technology-, must send all its data to external servers.

I, and many others, want to have the right to possess a car that isn't relying on external connections to work, and doesn't send all its data out.

It's more akin to wanting a TV that's not connected online. Some people like the added features of a smart TV, but some just want a dumb screen that doesn't sell their viewing habits, or screenshots of what's on the screen to third-parties.