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Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by somewhereoutth on Thursday June 29, 2023 @08:46PM (#36528998)
If, at population level, you don't have equality of outcome, then either you don't have equality of opportunity or 'there is something fundamentally wrong' with whichever population is failing - which I'm sure we can agree is not the case.

We should not force equality of outcome, but we should observe it and use it as a guide to whether or not we are being successful in providing equality of opportunity.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by dcow on Thursday June 29, 2023 @08:53PM (#36529074)
This only holds under a homogenous monoculture. What if some population doesn't value success the same way as another? You’ll see variance of outcomes for completely normal and acceptable reasons.
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by LudwigNagasena on Thursday June 29, 2023 @09:14PM (#36529299)
That’s just false. One doesn’t follow from the other.
Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by TexanFeller on Friday June 30, 2023 @12:06AM (#36530397)
> If, at population level, you don't have equality of outcome, then either you don't have equality of opportunity or 'there is something fundamentally wrong' with whichever population is failing

Do Indian people massively disproportionately own hotels because other ethnic groups don't have the same opportunities? Is there something fundamentally wrong with non hotel owning ethnic groups? It's not systemic Indian supremacy, it's just historical accidents compounded through network effects. Noticeable differences between populations frequently occur by random chance, they're usually evidence of nothing at all.

Re:Affirmative action at US colleges has been banned by soundnote on Friday June 30, 2023 @09:48PM (#36545436)
For population level differences to be proof of discrimination, you'd have to presume the sameness of background/culture, spread of abilities and spread of interests, which is absurd on its face.