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Re:Clojure Implemented in Pure Python by mbenkard on Thursday March 01, 2012 @08:01AM (#3651898)
I don't understand. Do you mean that you can't compile Clojure into Common Lisp the way you can compile it into Python/PyPy?
Re:Clojure Implemented in Pure Python by halgari on Thursday March 01, 2012 @08:31AM (#3651976)
You can, but I think you'd run into the same issues mentioned here: http://clojure-py.blogspot.com/2012/02/ive-been-asked-many-t...

Basically it reflection (aka dynamic dispatch) is a major performance killer if you don't implement a tracing jit.

Re:Clojure Implemented in Pure Python by mbenkard on Thursday March 01, 2012 @01:53PM (#3653448)
CLOS implementations have had to deal with the problem of extreme dynamism for a long time, so there has been quite a bit of optimization work associated with it. Polymorphic inline caches help a lot, for example.

That said, a good tracing JIT is probably better; but on the other hand, SBCL has profited from many years of optimization work on CMU CL. It would be interesting to see some real-world performance comparisons between SBCL and PyPy.

Re:Clojure Implemented in Pure Python by pavelludiq on Thursday March 01, 2012 @11:25AM (#3652739)
Wouldn't SBCLs type inference(+ type hints) help with this? I'm no compiler expert, but i think clojure(with the possible exception of multimethods, which are slow even on the JVM) would map well to CL(maybe even better than the JVM).
Re:Clojure Implemented in Pure Python by nickik on Thursday March 01, 2012 @11:28AM (#3652749)
PyPy is not just an Python-Interpreter. The PyPy Team build a Toolchain that can creat a JIT-Compiler out of a Interpreter (read some about the pypy project and you will be enlightened. Such a Toolchain does not exist for Common Lisp.
Re:Clojure Implemented in Pure Python by mbenkard on Thursday March 01, 2012 @02:02PM (#3653484)
Interesting! Thanks for the pointer.