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Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by parl_match on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @09:49PM (#36515342)
> Given the (unsupported) claim that a EV wears the road significantly more than a gasoline car

This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim. By states, car makers, the federal government, and third party analysis firms. It's incredibly uncontroversial. It's even got a name, and associated math: it's called the Fourth Power Law https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-much-damage-do-heavy-...

> shouldn't we expect that a vehicle exerting three times the pressure on the road should pay more per mile than 'just' 3x what you and I do in our gas passenger cars

Gas taxes make up a relatively small part of the cost of gas. If you run the numbers, you'll find that it's maybe closer to around 3.5-4x for most passenger EVs. At scale, that becomes a problem, but at the individual level, it's still a relatively small amount - and certainly less than the cost of gas.

Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by tpxl on Thursday June 29, 2023 @04:30AM (#36517861)
> This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim.

Your source claims no such thing. EVs may be heavier than equivalent ICE cars, but an electric Smart (the brand) is going to do less damage than a loaded Ford F150.

Tax the weight, not a shitty proxy for weight.

Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by bequanna on Thursday June 29, 2023 @09:05AM (#36519846)
…and an F150 uses more fuel than a car.

Your comparison is misleading. Compare an ICE car to an EV car, not the lightest EV to the heaviest ICE.

Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by tanjtanjtanj on Thursday June 29, 2023 @09:55AM (#36520419)
That was exactly their point. You can't use 'EV' to mean heavier vehicle across the board.
Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by throwbadubadu on Thursday June 29, 2023 @04:33AM (#36517885)
> This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim.

It is pretty much insignificant increase on road wear vs what trucks put on it?

Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by literalAardvark on Thursday June 29, 2023 @05:28AM (#36518240)
Yes, but HGVs don't go onto residential roads.

If you meant SUVs or pick-ups by trucks yeah, insignificant and a bad proxy for weight anyway. No point in taxing EVs when what you need to tax is weight.

Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by raverbashing on Thursday June 29, 2023 @04:54AM (#36518011)
The fourth power law is uncontroversial, the fact that on average (or just take per model) EVs wear more than your "average ICE car" (especially as SUVs are the average now) is not
Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by logifail on Thursday June 29, 2023 @08:05AM (#36519319)
> Gas taxes make up a relatively small part of the cost of gas

Over in the EU it seems that taxes and duties represent at least half of the cost of petrol, more in some member states

https://www.statista.com/statistics/937796/pump-price-and-ta...

Q: How are governments going to replace this?

Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by rs999gti on Thursday June 29, 2023 @08:42AM (#36519601)
> Q: How are governments going to replace this?

Add a supplemental registration tax to EVs and hybrids to make up the cost of consuming less fuel. Of course, taxes never go away, so enjoy this new tax as we enter an electric future.

Re:To Save Money on Insurance, Drivers Agree to Intrusive Mo... by logifail on Thursday June 29, 2023 @09:02AM (#36519811)
> Add a supplemental registration tax to EVs and hybrids to make up the cost of consuming less fuel

Q: How much fuel duty and tax does the average ICE vehicle (or rather, its driver) contribute?

I did some back-of-napkin math and came up with a figure of €500