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Re:We raised a bunch of money by Zetice on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @11:23AM (#36507840)
Honest question: why are you on a site whose community is literally created and run by a startup accelerator?

It's a given you realize how antagonistic you're being here, so I guess my only other question is why seek attention like this?

Re:We raised a bunch of money by toomuchtodo on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @11:31AM (#36507931)
Curious people are allowed some latitude when historical performance predicts future outcomes [1]. This is "not the first rodeo" as it were. Agree being antagonistic is not welcome, but it should not be unwelcome to ask hard questions about how something won't end up the same.

I like the Fly.io folks! But asking questions should never be off the table; how else would you be curious?

[1] https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/

(it is unfortunate that something with so much value and enjoyment like HN is a product of an investment firm, but a component of life is compromise)

Re:We raised a bunch of money by Zetice on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:02PM (#36508426)
> My new heuristic is that I avoid every single company that raises venture funding.

This is not what curiosity looks like, is my point.

Re:We raised a bunch of money by toomuchtodo on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:05PM (#36508487)
I imagine some folks have their curiosity burn out at a certain point. Your point is taken.
Re:We raised a bunch of money by MatthiasPortzel on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @11:45AM (#36508183)
Where better to talk about the downsides of VC funding?

I don’t think anyone wants HN to become an echo chamber that believes VC funding is the solution to all problems.

Re:We raised a bunch of money by munificent on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @11:48AM (#36508217)
> why are you on a site whose community is literally created and run by a startup accelerator?

Why do missionaries go where no one believes their religion already? The idea that you must already be a believer in some community to participate in the community makes little sense and certainly isn't a good way to make progress.

> I guess my only other question is why seek attention like this?

Would you also characterize your own reply as mere attention seeking?

Re:We raised a bunch of money by Zetice on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:04PM (#36508468)
All commenting is attention seeking, my question was: why do it antagonistically like this?

And further, why go on a (holy) mission to convince people funding companies is bad? That's a weird windmill to tilt at...

Re:We raised a bunch of money by c-hendricks on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:25PM (#36508748)
I dunno, I think it's a growing sentiment and am glad they brought it up.

Svelte, SolidJS, Remix, and NextJS are all tied to San Francisco venture capitalism and that's got me worried about their future.

Re:We raised a bunch of money by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:23PM (#36508725)
It’s not a weird windmill, it’s deep philosophical position (breakneck property ownership based anarchistic capitalism) that is leading to the wanton destruction of society across the world.
Re:We raised a bunch of money by Zetice on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:31PM (#36508855)
How does the thing that enables society also destroy it?
Re:We raised a bunch of money by gnatman on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:48PM (#36509093)
How do anabolic steroids, which make me big & strong, also kill me?
Re:We raised a bunch of money by throw10920 on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @09:07PM (#36515048)
Because they have a political agenda to push and have decided that Hacker News is a good place to push it (even though that's a blatant violation of the HN guidelines).
Re:We raised a bunch of money by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:22PM (#36508702)
Because when I joined it 11 years ago, it wasn’t overrun by pure capitalist narcissists.

Go back to when I joined HN in 2012, and one of the most constant things you would hear over and over is exactly the stuff I’m saying now - namely MBAs and “start up” founders generally aren’t your friends.

The top advice in 2014 on HN: Unless you’re an early founder, you’re going to get screwed over no matter what in the start up until you’re better off working at a big company.

Re:We raised a bunch of money by tptacek on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:22PM (#36508714)
Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:We raised a bunch of money by AndrewKemendo on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:34PM (#36508907)
Fair.

I stand by my point though that the culture has significantly changed since 2012 - you of all people know that.

Just go back and look a decade ago at when people would post “hey we raise all this money” posts.

A full half of the comments would be like “nobody cares that you raise money are you actually doing something important?” or similar.

Tbh I think it was a healthier perspective, and we need to bring more “hacker” back.

Re:We raised a bunch of money by Zetice on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:39PM (#36508964)
I joined in '09 and I think I've changed pretty substantially, so the idea that this or any website would lock-in to a particular viewpoint isn't realistic IMO.

And you're being awfully reasonable now, once we've gotten past the bombastic opening claim. I think part of what makes HN great is that at least sometimes we can skip that opening wild claim.

Re:We raised a bunch of money by esafak on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @01:37PM (#36509827)
I think this is just due to the maturation of the community; it has grown and diversified, so enthusiast hackers represent a smaller proportion of it. The same dynamic is at play in the tech community at large.
Re:We raised a bunch of money by Zetice on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @12:33PM (#36508883)
But that's a fundamentally different view than "All VC funding is bad"; there are tons of risks involved and many actors aren't good in every industry, why specifically does venture capital draw your ire?