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Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by voisin on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:06PM (#36498662)
Would those incidents be frequent enough to make anything but a de minimus impact?
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by rootusrootus on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:20PM (#36498828)
If I'm doing the math right, there were only 3 fatalities on a 777 if you don't count MH370 or the Ukraine/Russian shoot-down. That would change the FLE from 2.01 to 0.01.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by henryfjordan on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:29PM (#36498924)
I understand not wanting to count a shoot-down but why not count MH370? For all we know there was a safety issue with that aircraft that caused the crash.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by excitom on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:38PM (#36499027)
After almost a decade of investigation the preponderance of evidence points to murder/suicide by the pilot. A safety issue is highly unlikely.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by lopkeny12ko on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:50PM (#36499142)
This is a very USA/western-centric perspective. No SE Asia reporting is stating this.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by Pigalowda on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:58PM (#36499237)
What do they say?
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by tremon on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @06:59PM (#36499868)
Isn't that because suicide is a taboo subject in many countries? This was at least the case for EgyptAir Flight 990 and SilkAir Flight 185, and IIRC people expressed the same thing about Malaysian culture.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by albertopv on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @07:26PM (#36500122)
Why? What are the alternatives?
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by rootusrootus on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:37PM (#36499017)
As I recall, there's a fair amount of circumstantial evidence at this point to suggest pilot suicide as the most likely cause.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by local_crmdgeon on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:34PM (#36498976)
We basically know that it was suicide at this point.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by twbarr on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:11PM (#36498742)
One of the three 777 accidents is being shot down by a Russian SAM.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by zerocrates on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:26PM (#36498891)
Another is the infamous MH370.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by water9 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:40PM (#36499043)
Another is the pilot error on Asiana flight in San Francisco.

Another one is the crash at Heathrow, but that was Rolls-Royce’s fault

Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by tremon on Wednesday June 28, 2023 @07:22AM (#36504896)
Off-by-one error detected
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by Someone1234 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:18PM (#36498803)
The entire dataset is microscopic. I'd say it could make a substantial impact.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by bjelkeman-again on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:35PM (#36498989)
A really small datasets shouldn’t be used for statistics. But is it small, considering there are millions of flights registered?
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by Someone1234 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @06:05PM (#36499305)
Millions of flights, but less than ten crashes for most, and it was pointing out that even some of those are incorrectly categorized. When you're dividing A by B to get ratio C, you cannot ignore that A is bad data because B is good, it still makes for a C that is useless.

All this dataset provides is that with small enough samples it is too noisy to draw reliable conclusions.

Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by lolinder on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @06:13PM (#36499395)
You need a larger dataset if you're dealing with very small probabilities. If you measured millions of events and only saw 1 anomalous event, you have enough data to say that the probability of such an anomaly is extremely rare, but you don't have enough data to compare it to other very rare events.

More concretely: if you flip an unfair coin 1 million times and get a single heads, you know that the odds of getting that heads are extremely low, but you can't yet say what the odds are. It's possible that the odds are one in a million, but it's also possible that you got very lucky or very unlucky relative to the actual odds. You have to have a lot of data in both buckets before you can distinguish.

Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by waiwai933 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:10PM (#36498736)
Probably, given how rare any fatality in commercial aviation is.
Re:Plane Crash Rates by Model by pcurve on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:58PM (#36499241)
Depending on plane, it could.

For example, 777 has had very few incidents, but its figure is impacted by MH370 and MH17.

747's number is also skewed (by about 10%) due to 3 incidents involving bombing and missile shootdown.

By and large though, most plane crashes are due to human error, mostly by pilot. Terrorism, as well as maintenance or engineering defects are pretty rare.