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Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 26, 2023 @04:54PM (#36485702)
> Elections are largely monopolized by older people who mostly tend to be homeowners...the entire system is rigged

Homeowners, irrespective of age, tend to vote more. This is in part enabled by material comforts. But there may be other layers of causation. The first two are problematic per se (though I'm uncertain of the effect size). But the last is simply fundamental to democracy--if someone can vote but can't care to, they're not going to have their interests represented.

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by atoav on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:26PM (#36486080)
The real question is, if you are profiting from this system: How can you stop people from caring, or alternatively how can you make them vote against their interest?

This is ofc a rhetorical question as you can see the answers play out very clearly in nearly every conservative party in the world (and much more subtle and convoluted in the parties left of them).

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by JumpCrisscross on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:44PM (#36486291)
> How can you stop people from caring, or alternatively how can you make them vote against their interest?

Voting against their interests: nothing. That said, I've often found folks deemed to be voting against their interests to be doing nothing of the sort.

Those who don't care are, for me, also fine. They're self selecting out of having a voice. If they want to have one in the future, they can engage. The tragedy is those who want to engage but can't. Due to registration requirements, ersatz poll taxes, difficulty of getting to and from poll sites or keeping tabs on the election calendar.

(Apathy is unlikely to be solved with reforms versus education. I've never met an apathetic voter who cast a blank ballot in protest. If they show up, they tend to find something to vote on.)

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by prottog on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:56PM (#36486421)
> The tragedy is those who want to engage but can't. Due to registration requirements, ersatz poll taxes, difficulty of getting to and from poll sites or keeping tabs on the election calendar.

I hear about this every now and then, but is it an issue in any real number? Maybe the problem of the "difficulty of getting to and from poll sites", which I can see arising due to the nature of this country being large, spread out, and automobile-centric.

Even Georgia, which was recently under fire for so-called voter restriction laws, hands out voter ID cards for free or a non-driver state ID card for under $40 that lasts nearly a decade. I can only imagine that anyone who is unable to obtain one of those has much bigger problems than voting every few years.

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by bobthepanda on Monday June 26, 2023 @07:00PM (#36486997)
So things depend on the state, but IIRC some states have been way more brazen about others.

For example, at one point a proposal was floated to force changes in Texas polling center distribution, but only in counties with over a million people, which was pretty nakedly partisan. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/23/texas-voting-polling...

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by anotheruser13 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:25PM (#36498878)
Abbott, Paxton, and Patrick are the 3 horsemen of the "woke" apocalypse. They will do anything to prevent anyone who isn't an old, white, Xtian (those who profess to believe in Christ but do not follow his teachings) from voting, especially in Harris County.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/06/01/harris-county-electi...

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by alphager on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @03:44AM (#36490020)
> Maybe the problem of the "difficulty of getting to and from poll sites", which I can see arising due to the nature of this country being large, spread out, and automobile-centric.

It's not just distance and cost, but time. Someone working 3 jobs simply doesn't have time to stand in line for hours.

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by prottog on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @12:36PM (#36495230)
Nobody has time to stand in line for hours to vote. Not even retired people would do that!

> Someone working 3 jobs

According to the BLS[0], less than 5% of working-aged people hold more than one job, and presumably a fraction of that have three jobs. Surely society shouldn't optimize for a small minority of the population.

> doesn't have time to stand in line for hours

Data on this isn't great, but one source I found[1] puts a cursory total average across all states in 2020 at around 15 minutes, with the worst average wait time being Indiana at 42.1 minutes. It's confirmed by a 2020 academic paper[2] which puts the nationwide median at 14 minutes.

I can imagine that there are outliers who have to wait unpleasantly long, and that same paper referenced above indicates that people may have unequal voting wait times based on where they live. Ideally voting should be easy for all those eligible to vote.

[0]: https://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat36.htm

[1]: https://www.lgbtmap.org/img/maps/citations-polling-place-lin...

[2]: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1909.00024.pdf

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by umeshunni on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:02PM (#36485807)
> But there may be other layers of causation.

Having a permanent, of sorts, attachment to a location incentivizes people to vote to protect their interests in that location.

Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by segamegazord on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:50PM (#36486345)
Countries like Australia have compulsory voting and are still suffering the same issues. You are right - there are other layers of causation.
Re:Why Britain Doesn’t Build by alexdunmow on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:14PM (#36488180)
We even have preferential voting. The problem is nearly two-thirds of MPs - out of 144 of them - own more than one property. Which is more than three times the national average: less than 20 per cent of Australians own more than one property.

Even the so-called "left leaning" party are landlords.

We are run by the landed gentry. They'll continue looking out for their own. Houses are the safest asset as they're practically 100% Government backed.