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Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by igammarays on Monday June 26, 2023 @02:14PM (#36483504)
Here's a crazy tidbit: There are some Muslim eschatologists and preachers who believe that Constantinople is coming back! Based on their interpretation of the Prophet Muhammad's ﷺ well-known prophecy regarding the conquest of Constantinople, they also believe that the Hagia Sophia will become an Orthodox church once again.

See Imam Nazar Hosein's book titled "Constantinople in the Quran": http://imranhosein.org/n/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Constant...

Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by countrymile on Monday June 26, 2023 @02:16PM (#36483543)
It probably would have if the Russian empire had won ww1
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by ng12 on Monday June 26, 2023 @04:18PM (#36485242)
It actually did for a few short years as an independent city-state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919%E2%80%...
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by vondur on Monday June 26, 2023 @10:43PM (#36488319)
That’s also why the Crimean war was fought.
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by pixel3234 on Monday June 26, 2023 @03:15PM (#36484412)
So far quite opposite is happening. Until about 15 years ago, Istanbul was very cosmopolitan city. You could meet people from all corners of Africa, Asia and Europe there. Even locals looked very white because of all slaves Ottomans brought into Istanbul. To some extend Istanbul was culturally not part of Turkey (something like London and UK).

Hovewer over last decade or so, Istanbul is being assimilated into Turkey. Many orthodox muslim turkish immigrants from east part of Turkey. More radicals... Foreigners are not so welcomed anymore...

Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by derefr on Monday June 26, 2023 @04:09PM (#36485141)
Is it that foreigners are less welcome, or is it that anyone with other options for places to live is leaving the country to avoid the tanking ecomomy?
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by pixel3234 on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:08PM (#36485884)
For an western expat it is more difficult to move to Turkey. Administrative and government stuff. Economy as well.
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by DSingularity on Monday June 26, 2023 @04:57PM (#36485757)
Yeah, culturally identical to Europe like how there are all those mosques everywhere.
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by pixel3234 on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:09PM (#36485888)
Visited France or UK recently? :)
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by ReptileMan on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:04PM (#36485834)
But a lot less headscarves than today.
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by proser on Monday June 26, 2023 @05:31PM (#36486156)
This has more in common with Austin, Texas. Everyone is grumpy about all the people moving there, but the vast, vast majority are moving there from other parts of Texas rather than out of state.
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by nocoiner on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @02:49AM (#36489670)
That sounds incredibly unlikely to me. Or, I suppose it could make sense, but only under a couple of circumstances:

1. Each year’s crop of UT students constitutes a large fraction of Austin transplants. But that doesn’t seem possible, as I can’t imagine that’s more than 20k a year.

2. Most transplants are from Texas, but every other Texas metro is experiencing similar intra-state migration, and so every big city in Texas is hollowing out the state’s hinterlands.

Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by laurencerowe on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @12:43AM (#36489013)
> To some extend Istanbul was culturally not part of Turkey (something like London and UK).

This is a bit off topic, but I don't think it's right to say that London is not culturally part of the UK. As the only very large city London has its own identity, but I don't think you can usefully assign an identity to the UK or England minus London. The bigger divide lies along age, class, and education.

So Manchester, Bristol, and many of the university cities end up being more culturally similar to inner London. They are all places younger people with degrees move for education and employment and many spend a decade in London starting their careers after finishing their degrees elsewhere, before moving on again to find more space for a family.

Then on the other side of the divide you have parts of outer east London like Dagenham which are perhaps more culturally similar to other struggling post-industrial places like Stoke or Middlesborough.

Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by csomar on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @02:27AM (#36489537)
> Foreigners are not so welcomed anymore...

That's a weird thing to say given that Turkish people themselves are complaining that Istanbul (in particular Fatih, which was the center of Constantinople) is being taken over by Arabs and Africans (Sub-Saharan). That seemed true to me a year ago when I was there. Are you sure you are not mistaking Arabs for Turks? The Turks I met are mostly white and the one living in Istanbul are quite "cosmopolitan".

Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by ffgjgf1 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @03:06AM (#36489775)
> because of all slaves Ottomans brought into Istanbul.

The genetic makeup of Anatolia did not change that much due to the Turkic invasion. Moat people in Turkey are still descendants of the Greeks, Armenians, Kurds and other who lived there for thousands of years before the invasions.

Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by atahanacar on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @08:31AM (#36491859)
Citation needed.
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by ffgjgf1 on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @05:45PM (#36499093)
For what?

There was a significant influx from the Balkans and Ukrainian steppes etc. during the the Ottoman period due to the extensive importation of slaves.

But otherwise the Turkish population at least in the west and most other coastal regions os indistinguishable from the rest of the Mediterranean region genetically.

Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by nurgasemetey on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @03:17AM (#36489837)
Why they are immigrants if they are Turkish citizens? Moreover, orthodox muslims are not radicals. There are many differences between them.
Re:The Last Day of Constantinople by Aerbil313 on Monday June 26, 2023 @04:15PM (#36485207)
That's not mainstream nor the correct interpretation. Other hadiths of our prophet confirm that the second Constantinople is Rome. Thus both are capitals of the (Eastern and Western) Roman Empires. The Sultan who conquered Constantinople, Fatih Sultan Mehmet, sent the navy to Otranto/Italy and conquered there for this reason: to conquer the two Constantinoples and thus fulfill the prophecy. He died without doing it in accordance with the prophecies, the one to conquer 2nd Constantinople will be the Mahdi, expected leader of Muslims in the end times and his name will be the same as our prophet's: Muhammad ibni Abdullah (means son of Abdullah).