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Re:Doubts creep in about wisdom of ‘no-kids zones’ in South ... by cjbgkagh on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:59PM (#36471987)
I have on rare occasion asked parents of kids to be more mindful, I received the sort of vitriol one should expect from parents who have thus far failed to instil manners into their kids. Not once has any good come from it - so I have given up. There is no education happening there and there is clearly nothing I can do about it. Parents especially seem oblivious to noise of own kids. For the cafe, instead of making judgment calls on a case by case basis which can cause insult to the parents it's simply easier to have a blanket ban. I could see it being a problem if the cafe was the only place in existence, but children can practice their manners elsewhere, there are plenty of other places for them to go. I don't see how having one additional place would improve their manners.
Re:Doubts creep in about wisdom of ‘no-kids zones’ in South ... by taeric on Sunday June 25, 2023 @05:37PM (#36472844)
I'd argue the point is not to "ask the parents to mind their kids," but to engage with the kids. This could be as simple as saying hello for some kids, as they almost certainly haven't really registered that there are others around. It could be broadcasting good behavior. It could be all of the above.

The easy push back is it isn't your responsibility. I'm rather uninterested in apportioning who should do what. It is in your interest to help, though. However you can.

The harder pushback will be that some parents won't like you engaging with their kids. That is an education that we somehow seriously perverted in our culture. Letting the village raise the kids takes education and engagement all around.

Re:Doubts creep in about wisdom of ‘no-kids zones’ in South ... by cjbgkagh on Sunday June 25, 2023 @06:26PM (#36473286)
Giving the kids a direct talking to is even less productive, I don’t know what fantasifull world you preside but it bears little semblance to what I perceive to be reality. In the US you have no idea how the parents will react when acting as advocates for the kids, enough will act violently to make it a very bad idea.
Re:Doubts creep in about wisdom of ‘no-kids zones’ in South ... by taeric on Sunday June 25, 2023 @07:50PM (#36473902)
I fully grant that having kids changes the dynamics. A lot. But I'm not saying to scold or "having a direct talking" with the kids. I'm saying to engage. It works far better than you give credit there.

Now. I also fully grant that I may be speaking from privilege. Mayhap something about me looks more approachable for whatever reason. I lament that I don't know how to spread whatever that is.