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Re:Staying Alive by lores on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:53PM (#36471418)
I can't seem to be able to reply to your comment below, but thanks for the clear illustration. I don't disagree with PM PM; I don't believe in souls. What I do believe in is that there is a quality of consciousness that is linked to the PM - what makes you see through your own eyes and not others. That quality does not seem transferable, in that bodily possession is not a thing.

If you posit that teleportation is equivalent to spaceship, and that a single consciousness cannot inhabit two bodies, then what is your hypothesis about the more-or-less instant transfer of that quality to a remote planet's newly created clone?

Re:Staying Alive by Ukv on Sunday June 25, 2023 @03:09PM (#36471565)
> I don't believe in souls

Consider IM to be any immaterial "self" that you believe wouldn't be included in the clone - doesn't have to be a soul as various religions may conceptualize.

> and that a single consciousness cannot inhabit two bodies

I believe there could be two bodies with identical personalities/memories/train-of-thought/etc. (whatever we label as consciousness) at some instant, but they would diverge due to different environments and not have any kind of special link between them.

> what is your hypothesis about the more-or-less instant transfer of that quality to a remote planet's newly created clone?

In my view it's just included in the clone - there's nothing extra that hasn't been cloned that needs to be transferred afterwards. If you totally clone an ocean, it has the same waves.