Re:Staying Alive
by Ukv on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:28PM
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> But we are not talking about mitosis, so we don't need to go there
I'm probing to get a better understanding of your belief system. How does it hold up under symmetrical cloning?
> What magic would transfer your consciousness into this clone?
I'll label:
* IM: Immaterial "me" - a "soul", impacted by the physical. May impact the physical or just be an observer depending on variant of dualism
* PM: Physiological "me" - personality, memories, train of thought, currently physically instantiated as a brain
From what I understand, you believe there's an IM controlling a PM, and the IM is a different kind of stuff that would not be cloned. On cloning of PM you think this happens (at the instant of cloning):
IM New soul
| |
PM PM
You ask "Would you control both bodies, see through both set of eyes" because you thought sunaurus is proposing this happens:
IM
/ \
PM PM
Whereas I (and I think sunaurus) don't believe in an IM. We think two physically identical persons really are identical, including whatever we'd call consciousness, so it's more like:
PM PM
Others may believe that all is not necessarily physical but does at least supervene on the physical (so identical PM has identical IM arising from it):
I'm probing to get a better understanding of your belief system. How does it hold up under symmetrical cloning?
> What magic would transfer your consciousness into this clone?
I'll label:
* IM: Immaterial "me" - a "soul", impacted by the physical. May impact the physical or just be an observer depending on variant of dualism
* PM: Physiological "me" - personality, memories, train of thought, currently physically instantiated as a brain
From what I understand, you believe there's an IM controlling a PM, and the IM is a different kind of stuff that would not be cloned. On cloning of PM you think this happens (at the instant of cloning):
You ask "Would you control both bodies, see through both set of eyes" because you thought sunaurus is proposing this happens: Whereas I (and I think sunaurus) don't believe in an IM. We think two physically identical persons really are identical, including whatever we'd call consciousness, so it's more like: Others may believe that all is not necessarily physical but does at least supervene on the physical (so identical PM has identical IM arising from it):