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Re:The bigger-is-better approach to AI is running out of road by phreeza on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:16AM (#36465306)
The problem is that any hidden variable resolving quantum indeterminacy would have to be non -local, i.e. able to propagate itself faster than light, which would also violate our understanding of the world quite a bit.
Re:The bigger-is-better approach to AI is running out of road by 111111IIIIIII on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:33AM (#36465362)
> which would also violate our understanding of the world quite a bit.

Are we discussing science or public relations?

Re:The bigger-is-better approach to AI is running out of road by Legend2440 on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:32AM (#36465358)
Locality may also be an abstraction.

I find it very intriguing that a "speed of light" emerges automatically in Conway's Game of Life. It's not built into the system, but shows up from the convolutional update rule.

Re:The bigger-is-better approach to AI is running out of road by dgfl on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:07AM (#36465481)
Your comparison with Conway's Game of Life is interesting, since that's inherently local.

More importantly, I'm skeptical towards non-locality because it is an extremely strong assumption with very weak effects: the only place it really shows up is in post-correlations between measurements of previously entangled systems, which notably cannot transfer any information faster than light (in fact, they require classical communication to even be noticed). Moreover, the only way to get entangled systems in the first place is through local interactions.

By believing in non-local hidden variables you get a deterministic universe with a mysterious, otherwise undetectable ether that instantaneously notifies quantum entities that they should update their behavior. By not believing in them, you get rid of the only n on-local "phenomenon" in physics (really, more of an interpretation) but you have to accept that some things are fundamentally random.

Easy choice, if you ask me (or most of the physics community).

Re:The bigger-is-better approach to AI is running out of road by llaolleh on Sunday June 25, 2023 @01:26AM (#36465335)
It won't be the first time our understanding is flipped upside down if such a framework of thought arises.
Re:The bigger-is-better approach to AI is running out of road by phreeza on Sunday June 25, 2023 @02:35AM (#36465592)
Yea I don't disagree, just wanted to point out that the hidden variable would not mean that matter actually behaves like a classical mechanics machine.