Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by manzanarama on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:32PM
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The US has quite a few shops scattered around the world at all times. The 22nd, 24th, and 26th Marine Expeditionary Units patrol the Atlantic and Mediterranean.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by partiallypro on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:32PM
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And yet, still all probably hours away from the incident, which renders them going there pretty pointless. Especially when they aren't equipped for these sort of rescue operations like the Coast Guard to begin with.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by nicce on Friday June 23, 2023 @06:22AM
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All you need is the rope to pick people from the water. Not even that.
And some lights to try if it gets dark.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by partiallypro on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:56AM
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It's not that simple, how can you with a straight face think it's that simple when hundreds of people are in the water?
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by hef19898 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:24PM
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There are multiple reports, and investigations, into illegal push backs of migrant vessels by FRONTEX and, yes, the Greek Coast Guard and Navy. Enough for me to not cut them any slack anymore.
Regarding the US Navy, well, they do have a Fleet in the Mediterranean, it's not like they had to sail all the way from Pearl Harbour.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by partiallypro on Thursday June 22, 2023 @08:31PM
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The US Navy isn't capable of rescue missions like that, the US Coast Guard is. The nearest US Navy vessel were still probably hours away, even if they were equipped. So much reaching here to find an impossible task when you have 2-3 hours to operate the rescue. By the time a US ship arrived everyone would be dead. Not to mention that requires Greece and Italy to ask for help.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by hef19898 on Friday June 23, 2023 @05:03AM
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One has to love how over the last decade or so, we were all convinced that all sea going vessels do not have the obligation to help others in distress. Because they absolutely do.
Also, what people also forget, the Mediterranean is under almost comlkete surveillance. So no big surprise if a vessel goes down, most of the time authorities knew of said vessel before.
Re:Debris field found in search for missing submersible
by partiallypro on Tuesday June 27, 2023 @10:56AM
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You have an obligation, that doesn't mean you can reach it in time or that you're equipped as US battleship for such a rescue. Big difference.
The average human can't tread that long without a life jacket, the average is ~2-3 hours and that's in still water (to be a lifeguard you have to last 30 minutes), not a choppy ocean/sea. By the time any country other than Italy or Greece came to the location, they'd already be dead. It's tragic, but there is no discrepancy. If there were a chance of actual survival for days, there would have been a much larger response.
Also, apparently the Greeks offered aid before the boat even sank and the boat declined because they didn't want to go to Greece, they wanted to go to Italy. There are mixed reports on that though as now some are blaming the Greek coast guard for tipping the boat over by accident.
If you want something to be upset about, be upset about practically every country on Earth's broken immigration systems that cause these tragic events.