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Re: by AnonCoward42 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @07:14AM (#36430403)
> 2/3rds of AfD supporters claim to be doing it as a protest vote. And that they don't support the AfD. Just like with brexit.

> There's still time for an alternative before all of Europe goes in with fascism again.

AfD => fascism. Argumentum ad Hitlerum basically. Does Germany really need more migration? More identity kamikaze? More publicly financed propaganda (ARD, ZDF, DW, plenty "N"GOs)? More provocation towards Russia for no god damn reason? More climate hysteria (and the unevitable destruction of enviroment for it)?

Which party would you choose instead? They all stand for the same thing with different velocity except ... yeah, exactly.

Re: by hnbad on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:04AM (#36433228)
The AfD may not be literally a fascist party, but it does have a prominent right-wing extremist faction that includes several of its most widely known members such as this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_H%C3%B6cke

I think arguing about the accuracy of labels like "nazi" or "fascist" is a bit beside the point. You and I both know the people calling the AfD fascist or nazi won't suddenly like it better if you can convince them they don't meet the exact definition of fascism or are identical to the historical National Socialist Democratic Workers Party. It's clearly more about a vibe, but that is also true for the AfD's own political ideology (and yours, apparently, if you think "identity kamikaze" is 1) a thing that is happening and 2) something to be seriously concerned about). Incidentally the NSDAP also had different factions including Strasserites, who imagined a more proletarian-led economy and people who thought having homosexuals like Röhm around was acceptable, at least for utilitarian purposes. Incidentally, most of those were murdered by the rest once the NSDAP actually got into power. Such is the reward for being progressive in the far-right.

Re: by AnonCoward42 on Thursday June 22, 2023 @03:16PM (#36437261)
> The AfD may not be literally a fascist party, but it does have a prominent right-wing extremist faction that includes several of its most widely known members such as this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rn_H%C3%B6cke

Yeah, there are a lot of allegations. Just recently his home was invaded by police for alleged cannabis possession (of his son). Kinda looks like he is a dissident, doesn't it?

Tell me: How is Björn Höcke a Nazi/fascist/right-extremist?

Btw, the Wiki article even features the bad "Bernd" joke in it. Wiki as a source ... lol

> I think arguing about the accuracy of labels like "nazi" or "fascist" is a bit beside the point.

It's exactly the point. If you want to say right-wing you should say just that. If you want to slander or dismiss a party, you compare them to fascists in some way.

> Incidentally the NSDAP also had different factions including [...]

And there it is and quite long even. It's guilt by association in a really obscure way.

Not sure if you're aware of the word "Schuldkult" (roughly translated to "cultic guilt"). I know, I know - a naughty word, but it so perfectly describes some Germans in which their whole identity circles around the guilt of Nazi Germany. They try to get away from it as far as they can. Every aspect of Germany is automatically tainted for these individuals. That's not a foundation for a working identity (at least not a German one). It's only destruction.

> It's clearly more about a vibe [...]

Yeah, it's more a feeling than actual fact.

Re: by 24drawoCnonA on Saturday June 24, 2023 @04:34AM (#36456743)
It's been all but proven that Höcke is Landolf Ladig. Do you have any doubts about that person being a Nazi/fascist/right-extremist? Or do you know any compelling arguments against that them being the same person?

Whats wrong with mentioning the fact "Bernd" is being used as his name? That's just a fact, isn't it?