Re:The man who tried to redeem the world with logic
by irq-1 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @05:30PM
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> No myth, no logic, no grammar is universal to the psyche;
Logic is universal; it holds true for all regardless of language and environment. "AND" doesn't have different meanings by changing language or social environment. Children use "AND" easily, fluently and universally. What is that but "universal to the psyche"?
Re:The man who tried to redeem the world with logic
by DiscourseFan on Thursday June 22, 2023 @09:07PM
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I don't think your claim is empirically demonstrable and therefore not useful to an empirical science.
But these myths, acknowledged as much by Freud, were in principle used not to describe reality, but to give a framework for teaching analysis: for instructing others how to go about the therapeutic approach. No myth, no logic, no grammar is universal to the psyche; and yet humans live in interrelations, there is at some level a groundwork for both social and psychological life, a particular set of relations: Lacan, who came after Freud, heavily employed the use of pure math and logic in order to describe this set of relations, but these formulas were never meant to capture the "whole" thing, because one could never: they were only meant to give a framework for analysis, a framework for analyzing operations of human beings in their social world.
Freud may not have been perfect or spoke the absolute truth: but there was never an absolute truth to speak about, and the success of HBO's myriad (and explicitly Freudian) Dramas I think demonstrates the validity of the method: just like Oedipus Rex was able to stimulate horror in its ancient audience, Freud was able to capture what it was about that play that triggered the reaction, and we can now easily recreate it over and over and over again. Honestly though, it is getting a little tiring to see psychological dramas rehashing the same co-ordinates over and over. I completely endorse moving away from his work to create something new, a reinterpretation if you will (just like with Lacan), but the outright dismissal is inappropriate and misguided, in my book.
[0]http://users.clas.ufl.edu/burt/freud%20fleiss%20letters/2007...
[1]https://www.libraryofsocialscience.com/assets/pdf/freud_beyo...