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Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by sho_hn on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:26PM (#36410003)
I was also curious about the timeline of this. I'm waiting for that one geeky blog post that integrates all the facts.

I'm particularly interested in an educated perspective on their choice in materials. I'm familiar with carbon fibre from bike frame building, and the common tricks/practices to try and look for fissures, find voids/delaminations, etc. after a crash, and it's such a complex subject and material. I wonder who manufactured this vessel and what the quality of their facilities, tools, processes was.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by EamonnMR on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:04PM (#36410590)
I wonder if the NTSB will do a report on this.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by jvm___ on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:06PM (#36410619)
It's also the only planned trip for the company this year due to weather. So the sub has sat for a period of time before being put in use.

Do you think they do extensive trial runs first at the beginning of each season? Like send it to the bottom un-manned just to double check?

As my former boss liked to say "Things that aren't tested don't work."

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by prmoustache on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @03:54AM (#36415677)
I think they can't even send it un-manned because it is not externally controllable. From what I understood in footage of a previous "mission", all is operated on board and there is nothing the ship crew can do appart from communicating (when it still works).
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by salawat on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:49PM (#36426766)
...well... Then clearly they should have put more time into the control system to allow for remote control from a submerged audio relay?

We've got more than enough ways to rig up signalling networks that there is zero reason for any submersible to not be remotely tested to crush depth.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by c00lio on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:18PM (#36410788)
My educated (a little bit of engineering at uni) perspective is: Completely idiotic to build a submarine out of carbon and not have the means for a complete inspection for manufacturing defects as the original article suggests.

Carbon, as you correctly note, needs to be very homogeneous. Bubbles, lamination defects or -god beware- fissures lead to failure, of the sudden, unannounced and total kind. And not only is it necessary to check after production, but also after regular short intervals of use, because a mere scratch in the carbon can be fatal.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by johnvanommen on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @04:22AM (#36415871)
It seems utterly bizarre to make a sub out of carbon fiber.

The advantage of CF is low weight. But who cares what a submarine weighs?

Some of the articles about it's construction indicate that many of the engineers were aerospace engineers.

I wouldn't want a submarine engineer designing a plane, and vice versa.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by oliveshell on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @04:36AM (#36415968)
Yeah, I don’t get it either.

Apparently the idea was that a lighter sub could be more easily and cheaply deployed around the world without needing to rely on a large, expensive support ship with heavy-lift capabilities. [1]

Basically, it was a cost-cutting measure.

1: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/worlds-first-deep-...

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by tim333 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:31AM (#36417639)
I was thinking about that but a steel sub can only really weigh as much as the same volume of water which probably limits things if you are going to 4000m. Too much weight and it'd sink like a stone.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by civilitty on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @08:33AM (#36417650)
> The advantage of CF is low weight. But who cares what a submarine weighs?

The heavier a sub is the bigger the ballast tanks have to be to compensate and the more energy is wasted on moving it, just like any other powered vehicle.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by zardo on Thursday June 22, 2023 @11:27AM (#36433631)
Do they even have ballast tanks? I saw mention of steel ballast they drop at the bottom.

The biggest benefit of reduced weight on this thing would be minimizing the size of the crane and surface vessel needed to deploy and recover it.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by Jonnerz on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @07:55AM (#36417310)
It's very bizarre. It's the first thing you learn about in materials engineering, in any mechanical/aeronautical engineering degree. We even made our own carbon fibre models (some with intentional defects) and tested failing them at my Uni.

I even get worried about cracks in my road bike. These guys are going 3km+ under water... It's insane.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by mcpackieh on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @05:38PM (#36411040)
I expect there will be a lot of books documenting every angle of this incident, if for no other reason than because of the Titanic connection. I'm looking forward to reading the whole story on how this incident happened.
Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by Prickle on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @05:01AM (#36416134)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dka29FSZac

Here is a quick and dirty analysis from a US Submariner of 20 years.

It is supposedly, incredibly hard to find defects or damage on carbon fiber. SpaceX did cite this as a reason for using stainless steel. His belief is that there was a hull failure somewhere on the carbon fiber hull; a failure point that simply wasn't found before this dive.

Re:Missing Titanic Sub Faced Lawsuit over Depths It Could Sa... by throw9away6 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:01PM (#36427537)
It depends on the material system they used. It is possible to scan for defects just need expensive equipment. Loading and unloading a sub like this could easily result in damages that aren’t detected though