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Re:Rivian Joins Forces with Tesla, Embracing Their Charging ... by ajross on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @12:32PM (#36406575)
> Only idiots buy black-box based car insurance

Monitored policies are almost always significantly cheaper. That's why people buy them. I won't engage on who the "idiot" is in that analysis except to say that Adam Smith probably has an opinion.

The reason this works is that it forces the consumers to self-partition into those who think they drive safely and those who know they don't. That doesn't correlate perfectly with actual safety, but it's clear that it's a good proxy signal. Insurance companies may be renowned for "slippery policy wordings", but they're even better known for doing good statistics.

Re:Rivian Joins Forces with Tesla, Embracing Their Charging ... by gleenn on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @01:04PM (#36407089)
Anecdata but my mother opted for the sensor tracking on her phone through her insurance company while driving and she saw almost zero cost savings.