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Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by bgro on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @06:03AM (#36401852)
reddit has some of the worst mods I’ve ever seen in any capacity. And they’re frequently in control of massive subreddits.

I remember when hate speech was just discovered as a reason to ban people, and mods of major subreddits would find ways to use that either out of protest or complete incompetence to ban people. For example, banning users for disagreeing with a controversial decision because “I hate your take, thus it is hate speech.”

Or the constant other entitled drama like when a soccer subreddit started mass banning people discussing a major game because his team lost.

There’s also just constant nuking of entire threads and locking them with no reason other than a blanket accusatory pinned comment about how “everybody” can’t behave. Nothing better than opening a thread about a picture they took of their dog only to find thousands of deleted comments and a temper tantrum post from some mod. Or multiple pinned spam posts from mods advertising junk in like a 5000 character copy paste spam in every post that just adds to the useless scrolling you have to do to see legitimate content.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by chris_wot on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:08AM (#36402337)
The r/Australia mods are awful
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by jq-r on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @09:58AM (#36404060)
I bet a lot of r/SomeCountry subreddits are cesspits of bad moderation and/or nationalism and other *isms.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by firecall on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @12:36AM (#36414436)
I hate to use this word, but the entire subreddit is juvenile.

Try making a comment that maybe all Boomers arnt property owning rent seeking monsters…

Or having a nuanced debate around how renting out your property on AirBNB doesn’t make you responsible for the destruction of society…

The entire sub is overrun by zealots with an overly simplistic view of the world.

Still, they are doing news.com a massive favour by seemingly giving them endless material to reuse without credit!

Being banned from Reddit in 2023 is a blessing.

I still hang out on Aussie forums, notably OCAU which is still going strong!

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by starttoaster on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @08:56AM (#36403311)
I was banned from /r/police for mentioning Philip Brailsford, a cop and murderer that gets a lifetime disability pension for PTSD from executing someone on their knees in a local hotel’s hallway.

I guess they probably hated my speech.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:20AM (#36404378)
I was suspended from Reddit in its entirety because I said I wouldn't be offended if someone called me gay. I am not sure why think they I need to be offended by it. It does not seem like something to be ashamed of? But no big loss.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by starttoaster on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:59AM (#36405028)
I'm sure they think they're being progressive. I was banned from /r/publicfreakout for mentioning racial inequality issues in the US in a video that starred a person of color. What's funny is that my comment was meant to spur progressive communication about the struggle for people of color. My comment on the video was highly upvoted and generated a ton of level-headed discussion about racial inequality. The mods, however, cited racism and banned me. I'm sure pretending like the issues don't exist is extremely productive for change.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by sangnoir on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @11:38AM (#36405594)
/r/publicfreakout is the opposite of progressive - the mods barely bother to disguise their posture in order to avoid Admin banhammer - the sub was amenable to a lot "race-realism" comments a few years back until there was a wave of bans that left the sub unscathed. I'm not surprised that you were banned for such a comment.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @11:18AM (#36405260)
Mods are arbitrary at the best of times, but in my case it came from an admin, banning me from the whole site. That seemed unusual. Particularly for something that seems so innocuous. The mods of the subreddit saw no reason to ban me.

I also made some silly quips about spez in the same timeframe. It is possible he was salty about it and arbitrarily chose a comment to reference in the banning, not being the true reason. It certainly would not be out of character.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by DropInIn on Thursday June 22, 2023 @06:36PM (#36440127)
People complain about the mods but theyre nothing compared to the admins...

Theres serious issues that far exceed those or the mods, not least of which being that they are even more prone to abuse of power without Any oversight of substance.

If you have a problem with an admin who banned you, your only recourse is to violate the TOS to make an alt to complain in a post in a sub where they will then immediately ban that alt account and remove the post "due to ban evasion"...

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by bgro on Saturday June 24, 2023 @02:16PM (#36461207)
This is a core critical problem. I suspect reddit has significant automated processes on top of this.

In my original comment I mention mods banning for hate speech in an abusive / ironic manner (so nobody is truly worried for their safety for example).

I think reddit used to automatically forwards reports for this category for admin review probably due to a legal requirement. Due to the mass quantity of reports vs staff, I suspect they automatically flag mod reports as credible. As such they have automatic admin superbans.

Admin reviewed bans are a higher level of ban and super bans and use every possible privacy exploit to go far beyond basic account or cache banning. It’s far beyond even IP banning.

These seem to be intended for truly extreme, severe, violent actions such as credible acts of immediate impending mass violence, coordinating true terror, promoting actual adult offensive exploitive content, etc.

Instead, they map hate speech and some other serious reports to this category. Technically, it sounds like it makes sense on paper, but this is abused so heavily that essentially meme reports are nearly sending automatic SWAT raids to people’s homes.

I’m guessing these are only summarized in a broad category to staff as “Mod reported + Admin reviewed. User banned for performing or conspiring terrorism / active police verified death threats / extreme exploitative adult content / active police verified mass murder / hate speech”

That last one technically fitting the rest if it’s used correctly (or at least one could argue) but as a chain of OR listed reasons, someone who was ironically banned because the mod “hated that they disagreed with the mod’s decision to ban scumbag steve memes from the meme subreddit” is suddenly flagged in the same category of true terrorists, as if Bin Laden himself had his own subreddit and was posting live content of his active mass public attack.

This is one reason they want people to download their app. Any association such as unique app combinations installed or other accounts (including non-reddit accounts) can be linked to a user even when they opt out of traditional tracking. They can then sell this data or use it in a magnitude of ways.

This is a specific core problem I’ve been tracking but this is a general template example of many of Reddit’s problems I’ve strongly disagreed with that go beyond general debatable business choices or general preferences.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by 38325610 on Saturday June 24, 2023 @10:52PM (#36464755)
I was banned from r/publicfreakout when I commented on a video of a bunch of jerks who rented an Airbnb, threw a disruptive party, attacked the owner, and then pretended that they were the victims. I said of course they were sarcastically. Then a day or so later a mod mass banned "all the racists" according to the mod. Then sent me a second message saying that I was not to message them, that they would consider any message abuse of modmail and report to reddit. Of course I messaged them because I was taken off guard asking if they had accidentally banned me. This is the reply I got:

"As previously warned, your unsolicited reply has been reported. Any/All replies going forward will continue to be reported for modmail abuse.

*Do Not Contact Us Again*"

So obviously I messaged them back, they just muted me for 28 days. So I guess 4 weeks till I get muted again.

Oh, also I forgot to add that when I commented, I hadn't even watched the video, I was just going off the title. So I'm guilty of a low effort comment, but hell that's 99% of what I contribute.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by P_I_Staker on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @11:53AM (#36405886)
It's so weird what gets you banned. I'm a bit shocked by the gay thing though. In my experience they get weirdly defensive of big oppressive institutions. I got banned for a comment railing against the medical community. I don't recall exactly, but it wasn't really that bad.

HackerNews is no better. I've gotten feedback for calling out SV and the nation of Germany... I guess I could have been more "constructive", but what you find is these things are applied selectively.

I don't really agree that you need to be constructive when talking about big institutions; arguably this isn't even a good idea. There's no need to use kid gloves with bigoted nations or billionaires.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @12:11PM (#36406210)
> I'm a bit shocked by the gay thing though.

Yeah. Of all the comments I have made, I least expected it to be that one. As it was a complete Reddit ban, not just a subreddit ban, it is possible that it was just Huffman doing his usual round of trolling and not really about the comment at all. I had participated in a discussion about the API changes earlier the same day said comment was made, so I was "on the radar".

Either way it was pretty funny.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by stiltzkin on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @12:08PM (#36406171)
I was banned at r/beer because I critize Bud Light marketing, also the mod told me he did not like my Reddit Avatar.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by mptest on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @03:22PM (#36409157)
>ciriticize bud light marketing

Lol Yeah, I'm sure THAT'S what you were banned for. What particular aspect of their marketing did you take issue with? Maybe you let slip some of your obvious-to-everyone prejudice in your "criticism".

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by vGPU on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @07:29PM (#36412211)
To be fair, their advertising was objectively bad. As can be seen by the results.

And I doubt that mulvany was the issue. People don’t want politics in their beer. I guarantee you that both a pro-choice and an anti-abortion marketing campaign would have negative effects on their sales.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by mptest on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @08:02PM (#36412502)
Are the results due to the "quality" of the advertising or the campaign of rabid hate directed towards the lgbt that one of our two parties is concertedly fostering??

>both a pro-choice and an anti-abortion marketing campaign would have negative effects on their sales

Ok? I wasn't commenting on the efficacy of various political themed advertising campaigns, I was challenging the notion that benign lamentation of advertisement quality was what got him banned.

If I had to put money on it I'd put a 3-4 digit sum on what that guy actually got banned for. And it rhymes with ransphobia. Anyone who cares that much about an ad only cares about that ad for one reason. And I'd bet his phobia leaked out in his totally benign criticisms.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by vGPU on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @09:43AM (#36418349)
The results were due to the fact that people generally crack a beer open to relax and get away from the constant bombardment of politics and the other stresses in their life.

I don’t drink bud anyways since I don’t enjoy the taste of vodka spiked urine, but if my drink of choice started making their opinions on abortion known I’d stop drinking it too.

Make product. Sell product. I buy product. Fin.

The point politics enters the equation, I exit. I’m already so incredibly exhausted from hearing trump this Biden that hunter this Zelenskyy that day in day out.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @09:29AM (#36403685)
Makes sense, though. There isn't much incentive to be a mod on a massive subreddit. The users don't care about you. Reddit doesn't care about you. About all you get in return is some laughs when you strike the ban hammer, which doesn't incentivize good faith moderating.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by noodle on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @09:57AM (#36404044)
There's a lot more intangible incentives than you'd think. For example, general clout, influence peddling, an outlet for low power people to experience power, etc.. Many people don't care about those types of incentives, but there are some who do.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:05AM (#36404164)
> For example, general clout, influence peddling, an outlet for low power people to experience power, etc.

Does that meaningfully differ from "some laughs when you strike the ban hammer"? One may not physically laugh out loud, but no doubt the appeal of which you speak stems from pleasurable emotions that stem from the entertainment in experiencing those things.

It is understandable why some people would be drawn to those incentives, but I am not sure those incentives align with good faith participation. Power and influence is best experienced when used in bad faith. When only used in good faith, one will not even recognize that they have it.

In the old owner/operator forum days there were other incentives to be a good faith mod. Financial gain being one possible incentive. But in the case of Reddit, they take all of those parts for themselves, leaving just the scraps for any would-be mods. As such, the earlier "reddit has some of the worst mods I’ve ever seen in any capacity" assertion is not surprising. There is nothing to attract "good" mods.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by noodle on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @10:57AM (#36405000)
Yes. For example, I was a mod on a larger tech related subreddit (trying to keep it generic) that was a critical part of my tech stack and daily work at the time. The mods above me would regularly promote their POV on certain topics and do various things to demote/remove the things that they disagreed with. In this way, the community artificially seemed to be more in favor of particular directions on certain topics.

Did this have any material impact? I don't know. But its an example where a set of random people can at least try to leverage their position for more than just "some laughs". Its one example of what I mean about "influence peddling".

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by randomdata on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @11:31AM (#36405470)
Perhaps I am missing some nuance, but that still seems like "some laughs" and, more importantly, not done in good faith. I get that they weren't audibly laughing, but it seems they were stroking some kind of emotional pleasure centre, choosing bad faith to feel it.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by noodle on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @12:55PM (#36406929)
I can't really speak for the motivations of those people, but I don't consider potential direct financial gain to be "some laughs".
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by slowmovintarget on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:17PM (#36409884)
The words we typically use are "malfeasance," "corruption," and "conflict of interest."
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by WheatMillington on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:26PM (#36409993)
I was just thinking about this today. This is how we can measure how exceptionally bad spez's handling has been: people are sympathizing with Reddit mods. Reddit mods have been almost universally despised for as long as I can remember.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by gman83 on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:59PM (#36410492)
I was a mod on a couple of subreddits that have more than a million subscribers. It's a thankless task. Most mods I've interacted with are absolutely fantastic, spending their free time volunteering for the community and genuinely making the community better. Filtering out spam, harassment is a daily, endless task. The only time people talk about the moderators is when something goes wrong.

The main reason I stopped doing it is because it was just too much work and having the community mainly shit on you doesn't make it more enticing to continue. Everyone assumes the worst about you, how you're somehow in it for the wrong reasons, when for 99% of mods I've interacted with that definitely wasn't the case.

Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by 0max on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @11:09AM (#36419464)
I got banned from r/SanFrancisco for inciting violence asking why Chase Center attendees get tranquilized while aggressive people in the streets of the city don't.
Re:Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years by danron100 on Wednesday June 21, 2023 @05:03PM (#36424457)
Yeah! That locking threads feature is almost most of the times. Especially that auto lock after 6 months.

+that long a$$ auto mod pinned comment is also annoying to scroll