> does not materially benefit labor in the long run.
If you ignore the wages (direct and indirect) paid, then sure. Otherwise, I'm not sure how you can argue that in good faith when the largest expense almost any corporation has is labour.
Re:Goodbye, Twilio
by AndrewKemendo on Sunday June 18, 2023 @11:13PM
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Well explained In my link
A 500 page pdf of the writings of a anarchist-libertarian socialist from 1876 isn't compelling.
Re:Goodbye, Twilio
by wahnfrieden on Monday June 19, 2023 @01:25AM
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Nor is your glib assertion
>> In the US at least, the fact of employment isn’t some gift to the laborer, which a lot of employers claim.
> If you ignore the wages (direct and indirect) paid, then sure. Otherwise, I'm not sure how you can argue that in good faith when the largest expense almost any corporation has is labour.
Unless you consider employment itself being a benefit to the laborer, your statement is only reflective of expense grouping in financial statements.
If M. Proudhon thinks private property stinks so much, he should see what happens in places where there are no private property rights.
Re:Goodbye, Twilio
by wahnfrieden on Sunday June 18, 2023 @10:35PM
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Proudhon was against state property too. Which is what you’re referencing. Try again
The modern, for-profit stock corporation with EXTREMELY rare exceptions, does not materially benefit labor in the long run.
In the US at least, the fact of employment isn’t some gift to the laborer, which a lot of employers claim. You will literally die decades earlier as an unemployed person unless you have a job and you have no say in keeping it.
What funny is, a decade ago here on Hacker News the vast majority of advice was “don’t expect any payout as an early employee at a startup” and “VC aren’t your friends”
However it’s been a big shift since then with people (mostly non engineers) arguing on behalf of shareholder primacy as valid and ethical.
(this audience is extremely biased by the way given that its mostly made up of the global 1% that befits from capitalism)