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Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by abss on Sunday June 18, 2023 @02:37AM (#36377879)
"It’s not a movement, but it’s all over the place. It’s changed the way we see and think of things, almost everybody. It’s libertarian, socialism, anarchism. Of course, they’re not going to be popular. We have a class-based society, rigid class-based society. The business classes, the ultra-rich are dedicated to class war. They’re basically vulgar Marxists, fight values inverted, constantly fighting a harsh class war. They control the resources, control the institutions, control the economy. So yes, ideas that they don’t like, you don’t hear. Nothing novel about that."

Ideed, nothing novel and basicaly impossible to avoid if you have a society with elites (even left oriented elites will do the same, even worse)... It is a tautology that elites will censor what it is against their interests. I wander if is even desirable to build a society with elites that are open to be replaced by "better" values, or "better" execution. It looks to me that the only good approach is to have societies composed by many small "sub-societies" with different values and different elites that compete on attracting supporters. Of course this is not with very serious challenges too...

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by hellisothers on Sunday June 18, 2023 @12:35PM (#36381778)
I’m not sure that word means what you think it means, you’re just describing entrenched power, it’s always going to do that. No need to evoke the word elite like it’s a boogeyman
Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by panarky on Sunday June 18, 2023 @01:46PM (#36382476)
What are the ideas that they don't like, that we don't hear?

Is there a list of these dangerous ideas somewhere?

Because I'm searching for new, dangerous ideas that I haven't heard before, and they're not so easy to find.

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by nswest23 on Sunday June 18, 2023 @08:34PM (#36385968)
> Because I'm searching for new, dangerous ideas that I haven't heard before, and they're not so easy to find.

You’re so close.

Re:Noam Chomsky on Language, Left Libertarianism, and Progress by johnthescott on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @04:28PM (#36410020)
advatia vedanta. also, the frame problem in ai.