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Re:Full Time by stolsvik on Saturday June 17, 2023 @01:59PM (#36372644)
ORMs help you the first three weeks. After that it is a lead ball around both feets, dragging you down into dark pits of bad performance, incomprehensible relations, and impossible debugging.

That anyone with more than 6 months of experience still drag Hibernate up from their chest is just absolutely beyond my comprehension.

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Re:Full Time by marginalia_nu on Sunday June 18, 2023 @04:54AM (#36378454)
I think if you're doing basic CRUD operations on small tables with relatively simple relations, then ORM is just fine. This is to be blunt what a lot of applications do, and so a lot of them justifiably use ORM.

That said, the moment you leave the small table simple relations space (by e.g. having a table with a quarter billion rows), then ORM is not a good choice.

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