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Re:Daniel Ellsberg, Who Leaked The Pentagon Papers, Is Dead ... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday June 17, 2023 @01:27AM (#36367572)
This is making a strong argument that the more highly classified a piece of information is, the more likely it is to be bullshit, because the fewer people who know the subject matter have had the opportunity to dispute it.

Naturally human nature is to think the opposite, that the most highly protected secrets have been carefully evaluated because they're so important, when the relationship is actually the inverse.

Maybe there should be a maximum period of time that any given information can remain classified, and maybe it should be short.

Re:Daniel Ellsberg, Who Leaked The Pentagon Papers, Is Dead ... by kortilla on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:20AM (#36367798)
Many types of information do not require any experts to validate it.

Person X committed crime Y.

Prime minister blah is having an affair with bleh.

There is a secret base at location T studying V.

Most pieces of juicy information aren’t like secret scientific studies for anti gravity machines. They are just mundane things with excitement because of who is doing them and who it’s happening to.

Re:Daniel Ellsberg, Who Leaked The Pentagon Papers, Is Dead ... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday June 17, 2023 @02:32AM (#36367855)
It's all still susceptible to the same principle. You think Prime Minister Blah is having an affair because the French translators with the highest clearance you're using haven't been watching a particular children's television show and so are unknowingly mistranslating the references to it in the transcript. If the tape had been released on the internet some schoolteacher in Canada would have pointed that out.
Re:Daniel Ellsberg, Who Leaked The Pentagon Papers, Is Dead ... by kortilla on Sunday June 18, 2023 @01:07PM (#36382099)
You’re overthinking it. Information is rarely that complex. “Here’s footage from a hidden camera in a private jet of a prime minister banging his mistress”.
Re:Daniel Ellsberg, Who Leaked The Pentagon Papers, Is Dead ... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday June 20, 2023 @11:26AM (#36405396)
> Information is rarely that complex.

Information is always that complex. "Intelligence" is a bunch of rumors and innuendo that get mushed together into an analyst's report.

Even when you have what you believe to be incontrovertible evidence, because this is spy shit you have the possibility of a foreign intelligence service finding your hidden camera and using it to feed you whatever they like. And the fewer eyes you have on it, the less likely you are to discover the inconsistency with reality.

Re:Daniel Ellsberg, Who Leaked The Pentagon Papers, Is Dead ... by rprwhite on Saturday June 17, 2023 @03:11AM (#36368032)
But… all of the things you mention, like much in life, are susceptible to misinterpretation.

Do you know, or does it just appear that way to the best of your knowledge. The black/blue, or white/gold, dress is a good example of seeing something doesn’t make it true, or false.

The much bigger, much more critical, secret is knowing someone did something because you, or more likely someone under your direct command, was involved in the action. In which case the secret is the culpability more than the action itself.

Re:Daniel Ellsberg, Who Leaked The Pentagon Papers, Is Dead ... by Sharlin on Saturday June 17, 2023 @04:07AM (#36368267)
The experts in this case are the analysts whose job is trying to figure out the sorts of things you mentioned from intel that’s almost always patchy, misleading, simply wrong, gathered from different, often conflicting sources. Sure, there’s also a lot of simple factual information, but the juiciest, most classified parts are likely intel reports that are by necessity a result of interpretation.