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Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by watwut on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:56PM (#36361943)
Battery in my last device became too weak long before device was useless. Device was perfectly fine, just that battery did not hold long anymore.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by dragonmost on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:28PM (#36362480)
I'm still running a pixel 2 which is almost 6 years old now. I had to have the battery replaced 5 years in. Although it's not the most practical you don't have to replace the full device. Manufacturers would prefer you do.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by sdenton4 on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:05PM (#36362098)
I had a couple phones I really liked where the battery got puffy - ie, very very bad - while the device was otherwise great. Tried replacing with an ifixit kit, but the screen got borked in the process. Total waste...
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by nonethewiser on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:05PM (#36362099)
Yeah battery will virtually always be the first to go. Unless you crack the screen.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by MostlyStable on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:20PM (#36362341)
in my experience, it's the charge port that goes. My last two devices, each of which I had for 3 years, the charge port failed before the battery did. I just finished fixing my current one. Although I did decide to do a battery replacement anyways while I had the device open. But that was just because of how hard it is to open them at all. My battery health monitoring app said it was at ~80% health still. And while the charge port hasn't always failed on me in the past, I'm not sure the battery has ever been the reason for me personally, although I'm probably just lucky in that regard.

Basically, I'm not sure that any one "thing" is the thing that always fails. There are multiple common points of failure and generally speaking, phones are hard to service in any manner these days. I personally would gladly give up water and dust protection, as well as thinness in exchange for ease of serviceability. Unfortunately, that seems to be a relatively uncommon set of preferences (although obviously it's probably much more common in places like Hacker News).

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by thatwasunusual on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:29PM (#36362486)
> in my experience, it's the charge port that goes.

I have had this problem on a regular basis with all of the iPhones I have owned, and the problem has never been that the charge port is dead, but that dust and/or lint has gathered in it.

The solution is very simple: use a tootbrush or similar, preferably something plastic that won't break, BUT NOT ANYTHING METALLIC, to dig out the dirty stuff. Problem solved.

Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by MostlyStable on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:20PM (#36363250)
Sometimes it's been lint, and I've been able to clean it out, but eventually cleaning it out stops working.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by mnw21cam on Saturday June 17, 2023 @06:11AM (#36368839)
A wooden toothpick works very well.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by isleyaardvark on Saturday June 17, 2023 @08:22AM (#36369602)
Compressed air has worked well for me.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by jandrese on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:48PM (#36362774)
This is why I only buy phones that support inductive charging. It's really not an expensive feature and it saves so much wear and tear on the charging port.
Re:European Union votes to bring back replaceable phone batt... by mnw21cam on Saturday June 17, 2023 @06:11AM (#36368836)
There are several things that limit the lifetime of a phone:

  1. Battery
  2. Software
  3. Charge port/headphone port
  4. eMMC storage runs out of writes
  5. Accidental damage
  6. Screen scratches
  7. Wanting more RAM/storage and faster processing
Batteries are getting better, and we can extend the life of a LiIon battery by about 5X by limiting charging to 80%. If batteries inherently had as short a life as they commonly do in phones, then electric cars would be doomed, but there's no real reason why we can't get phone batteries to last 10 years or more.

The software can only be solved by constant effort. There are certain things that could possibly be done to make it easier, such as arranging the device-specific stuff so that the effort already spent on producing a newer set of software for a newer device can be more easily back-ported to the older devices. I think this will only be solved by legislation, such as a law saying that the software must be updated for X years, or even just a law saying that the support duration must be very clearly advertised with the phone allowing consumers to make a choice.

A USB-C port is rated for a minimum of 10,000 plug/unplug cycles, which should be enough to charge the phone once a day for 30 years. If that isn't actually being achieved then we need to ask why not.

The eMMC storage is a problem with many phones. My phone is just starting to slow to a crawl because its main storage is old and it takes a while for it to perform certain writes (or something - it's hard to get an accurate picture of what is happening in there). There is zero information that a consumer has available when deciding which phone to buy to tell them which ones will have a problem with this. This seems to be a fairly obvious target for a law, similar to the software support duration.

Accidental damage - I remember reading a statistic about how the average phone survives a ridiculously short time before being dropped and broken, and I don't get it. I haven't dropped/broken a phone ever. I guess we just let the people who are constantly dropping their phones pick up the tab on that one.

Screen scratch protection is also getting really good now. My current phone has lived in my pocket for several years, and there's almost zero scratching on the screen. Just don't keep your keys in the same pocket.

In terms of replacing a phone because you want something better - I had a look recently to see about replacing my phone. The ones on the market at a comparable price to what I spent on my current one had specifications that were really not much better at all. It doesn't make sense - if a phone with those specifications is deemed suitable for today's market, then my old one with almost identical specifications should be fine too.

So, I don't really see any barriers that aren't insurmountable to a phone lasting several times longer than they do at the moment. Ten years should be easy, 15 years should be possible. At the moment, it's more like 3 if you're very lucky.