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Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by kitsunesoba on Friday June 16, 2023 @10:54AM (#36357595)
During this whole debacle, there's been quite a few posts across various parts of the internet that register to me as astroturfing, including a handful on HN. It's not about the opinions presented, nothing wrong with dissent, but the way these posts express those opinions just feels wrong somehow — I've seen 20 years worth of impassioned people posting on the internet, and these posts come off as poor imitations of that.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by slowmovintarget on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:20AM (#36358095)
I agree. The posts here on HN about how all the mods are terrible human beings... that just read as an oddity.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by Kiro on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:33AM (#36358359)
How so? People generally hate reddit mods, for good and bad reasons. The belief that reddit mods are power hungry abusers is ingrained in internet culture so I don't find it strange that this common sentiment is leaking to HN. If anything I find it very surprising that people praise them as heroes now which would have been completely unheard of just a few weeks ago.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by Y-bar on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:50AM (#36358684)
There are many mods I actively dislike, for example one on r/confusingperspective who gave me a warning because I tagged another user in a comment because I wanted to highlight something for them. But I still support the mods here. And I also support the third-party developers as well.

Ultimately Reddit depends on moderators being able to do their job, if Spez chooses to pull the rug out from under their feet so that they cannot do their job (which they do without cost for Reddit) effectively, why should I not cheer them on? Especially since they are pretty much the only ones able to coordinate any form of protest after Spez lied (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36247130) about what the Apollo dev said?

Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by pseudo0 on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:37AM (#36358432)
It really isn't that odd. Most reddit users hardly interact with the admins. When it comes to mods though, the questions is not whether they have had bad interactions, but how many. A job that offers no pay, no benefits, but the dopamine hit of having petty power over random strangers tends to attract poor candidates.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by 14 on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:50AM (#36358687)
I’ve been on HN for years as seen by my post history. I’ve been on reddit for years. I would love to see the mods stripped of power and the ability to vote them out. A lot of mods are terrible, probably not human beings but terrible at moderating.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by lamontcg on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:54AM (#36358765)
Nah those are real. People with a big "I dropped an r-bomb on a leftist sub and the powertripping mods banned me" energy.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by PrimeMcFly on Friday June 16, 2023 @12:14PM (#36359109)
More like "I disagreed with a user I didn't realize was a mod and they banned me".
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by PrimeMcFly on Friday June 16, 2023 @12:13PM (#36359093)
You're probably used to desktop users. Most people seem to use their phones to interact nowadays, and the quality of content is lower as a result.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by kitsunesoba on Friday June 16, 2023 @12:35PM (#36359497)
I won't deny that as a possibility, but the majority of my Reddit usage has been during its mobile-dominant era so it's not as if low effort mobile posts are unfamiliar.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by Zetice on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:28PM (#36361450)
What you're describing is textbook paranoia. People exist, real people, who hold opinions that differ from yours, including me.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by kitsunesoba on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:38PM (#36361613)
> People exist, real people, who hold opinions that differ from yours, including me.

Of course, but astroturfing is also a very real thing that those with money to lose have no moral objection making use of, and as such it's naive to take every comment at face value.

The method which one determines which comment falls into which category is variable and imperfect and always will be but it's a sense I've tried to hone. I like to try to give people the benefit of the doubt but it can be difficult to do that when, say, large number of comments parrot one of a handful of talking points with few linguistic variances or elaborations on why the commenter feels that way.

Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by flutas on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:37PM (#36362607)
Ah yes, "textbook paranoia".

Not a pattern of hallucinated poetry posted to new accounts, that just so happen to also dislike the blackout[0-6], while also occasionally apologizing for not being able to generate inappropriate or offensive content[7].

[0]: https://i.imgur.com/Aw8JUga.png

[1]: https://i.imgur.com/0seHYei.png

[2]: https://i.imgur.com/Q8Pl2Ms.png

[3]: https://i.imgur.com/IRAug6a.png

[4]: https://i.imgur.com/N88AxJx.png

[5]: https://i.imgur.com/Ar8P95B.png

[6]: https://i.imgur.com/Aw8JUga.png

[7]: https://i.imgur.com/4e9jO7P.jpg

Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by kitsunesoba on Friday June 16, 2023 @03:44PM (#36362714)
Wow, even ignoring the error message comments those are textbook ChatGPT responses.
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by Zetice on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:04PM (#36363048)
Jesus yes, it's paranoia to presume Reddit is the one doing that or that it's widespread or that it's impacting literally anything.

It's also paranoia to extrapolate that to mean anyone disagreeing with you is therefore astroturfing. I'm not, and I think Reddit should remove all mods who continue this boycott. Go through my history, try to find a single comment that an LLM generated, see if I'm a shill or paid actor. My account is "only" a few months old, surely that means I can't hold my own opinions in conflict to yours, right?

If you can't understand how 7 examples (you linked the same one twice) is vastly far from meaningful, nor how it does not in any way actually connect back to Reddit itself, you're falling victim to a whole host of biases.

Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by flutas on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:11PM (#36363129)
So according to you it’s paranoia to assume it’s impacting anything?

I never claimed you were a bot or LLM or anything of the nature, I also never claimed it was everyone but that clearly SOMEONE is doing it and it’s blatantly obvious. Stop making strawmen to attack. I pointed out patterns that people were seeing and your response is “but it doesn’t impact anything.”

Maybe you should check your biases first before throwing stones. Evidence was presented of someone clearly astroturfing against the blackout but it’s just my bias of course. Not evidence.

Honestly I’m getting strong “my opinion is the only valid opinion” vibes from your reply simply because you dismiss actual evidence to go into a straw man that I was attacking you.

Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by Zetice on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:22PM (#36363282)
> So according to you it’s paranoia to assume it’s impacting anything?

Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote?

And my opinion is irrelevant here, what you're claiming is not meaningful. It's like the "voter fraud" debates. Could anyone credibly say there's literally zero voter fraud ever? No. But one can say with certainty that voter fraud does not change the outcome of elections in the US.

Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by flutas on Friday June 16, 2023 @07:19PM (#36365317)
> Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote?

Because again, those are your strawman attack points. I never claimed it was Reddit, nor did I claim it was widespread. I was simply presenting evidence that it was happening.

Maybe reread my post which is literally inches above your comment? Hmm?

Again, glass houses.

Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by Zetice on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:19PM (#36366208)
Nobody is attacking you... hey is everything alright?
Re:Reddit CEO Says Mods Too Powerful, Plans to Weaken After ... by flutas on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:51PM (#36366388)
Why are you only selectively recalling what I wrote, despite the fact that what I wrote is literally inches above this quote?

Again, reading comprehension. I never claimed you were attacking me. I said you built a strawman to attack.