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Re:DevOps Is Bullshit (2022) by JohnMakin on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:11AM (#36355249)
> The point is coding skills are not required to do the job.

I’m sure this is the case in some places. This can’t be farther from the truth in many others. At every organization I’ve been a part of, the best “DevOps” on the team was usually the person who was the best at coding, or at least understood it the best - and coding is one of those things that you can’t really understand well if you don’t do a lot of it.

Re:DevOps Is Bullshit (2022) by slyall on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:19AM (#36355357)
Any by the same token the best developers have a good understanding of Ops. Often these will be the Senior ones and in some cases they built the platform before Ops people were hired.

But plenty of developers only have a vague picture of what production looks like especially in a complex environment. However they are perfectly able to do their job okay and produce working code.

Re:DevOps Is Bullshit (2022) by sambull on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:42AM (#36356460)
In my experience they also don't want to have the computer make a api call and wake them up at 3am.. but are happy to let the DevOps guys take that sword.
Re:DevOps Is Bullshit (2022) by dwill-mdcloud on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:52AM (#36358729)
Being great at DevOps means lots of Production experience. The level of experience required to go from thinking about working software (code) to running software (Production) is immense. That's why it is so hard to level up DevOps talent in the current dichotomy. In a silo DevOps engineers won't run enough software to understand their customers (the engineers in your org).