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Re:Software effort estimation is mostly fake research by frant-hartm on Friday June 16, 2023 @01:45AM (#36351929)
Get out of the company if it has this kind of management.
Re:Software effort estimation is mostly fake research by thaneross on Friday June 16, 2023 @02:36AM (#36352364)
I hate to say it but from my 20+ years in the industry, this is the norm.
Re:Software effort estimation is mostly fake research by wickedsickeune on Friday June 16, 2023 @04:52AM (#36353486)
You are absolutely correct, but there are groups within companies that don't work like that. Finding them is the hard part :|
Re:Software effort estimation is mostly fake research by DoingIsLearning on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:06AM (#36355171)
I think it mostly correlates with how technical PMs are.

People that were fairly technical prior to deciding to move to PM roles, those you can actually explain the context and reason with.

PMs that are more biased towards Business/Marketing are big on C Level networking etc., those are the ones that feel they are doing a good job if they try to bleed a stone with deadlines. They are adversarial like GP mentions and not someone you can reason with.

Re:Software effort estimation is mostly fake research by jsight on Friday June 16, 2023 @09:50AM (#36356568)
It is more common than not, but it is still best to avoid such places.
Re:Software effort estimation is mostly fake research by dekleinewolf on Friday June 16, 2023 @05:53AM (#36353994)
I'm a manager and when I ask my engineers for an estimate, I always, always increase it for my own purposes.
Re:Software effort estimation is mostly fake research by DoingIsLearning on Friday June 16, 2023 @08:09AM (#36355214)
Indeed, management is very much about shielding the team, and getting rid of roadblocks.

These are the kind of managers I will go the extra mile for. Got my back I got your back and make sure you shine.