Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by BaseballPhysics on Thursday June 15, 2023 @02:46PM
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> drama exists because everyone gets distracted by organized trolling and federation stans don't have a good answer for this problem.
Neither does Reddit. Have you not heard of brigading?
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by actualwitch on Friday June 16, 2023 @11:27AM
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Reddit bans users who participate in brigading, at least when coordinated from reddit.
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by soundnote on Sunday June 18, 2023 @09:09PM
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Unless it's from places like AHS who can blithely engage in brigading to try to get other subs banned.
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by zozbot234 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @02:32PM
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"Raiding behavior" has been around forever, including on Usenet. It's not a serious objection to federation, since "raids" and other obnoxious behavior can happen irrespective of it.
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by anigbrowl on Thursday June 15, 2023 @02:40PM
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I'm not objecting to federation as such, I'm objecting to the belief that users want to become federation evangelists in order to engage in social conversation. It's limiting the uptake of federated services because it forces users into making a meaningless-seeming choice before they can participate.
When I show a site like Lemmy to my non-technical friends, their eyes glaze over and they are confused by the necessity to choose an instance and the inability to make any kind of meaningful comparison between them. This is the exact same reason that Mastodon has never really taken off.
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by zozbot234 on Thursday June 15, 2023 @02:50PM
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> When I show a site like Lemmy to my non-technical friends, their eyes glaze over
That's quite understandable actually, the Lemmy UX sucks. Try showing them fedibb.ml instead. It's Lemmy under the hood, and federation works perfectly - but you'd never guess that!
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by marcosdumay on Thursday June 15, 2023 @03:42PM
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Hum... If I go to fedibb.ml, I get a bad cert domain error.
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by JumpCrisscross on Thursday June 15, 2023 @02:25PM
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> Federation is confusing and alienating to non-technical users, and nerds who love federation tend to have a mediocre grasp of social dynamics and gloss over the inevitable abuses
Doesn't this also describe Reddit mods?
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by anigbrowl on Thursday June 15, 2023 @02:35PM
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It does, and that's another opportunity to repost this evergreen paper describing how these issues manifest on Reddit.
Re:Reddit’s blackout protest is set to continue indefinitely
by chongli on Thursday June 15, 2023 @02:52PM
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Ordinary, non-posting users (lurkers) are not the target right now. The goal is to attract the creators: users who already put in tons of effort posting on Reddit. They are much more likely to put in the effort to grow new communities and migrate existing ones to lemmy.
If enough creators move over then the lurkers will follow. But attracting lurkers at this stage is pointless if there isn’t any content for them to look at.
Federation is confusing and alienating to non-technical users, and nerds who love federation tend to have a mediocre grasp of social dynamics and gloss over the inevitable abuses. Federation stans need to grasp the fact that nobody who is not a full time nerd cares about how federation works at the technical level, they just want a place to socialize with the assurance that they won't be overrun by assholes. All the Federation stans go into it the idea that 'you can just defederate' whereas non-technical users go into it with the idea that they don't want to get raided in the first place.
The existing model of federation is not working. Users don't want to know about the infrastructure any more than people going into a coffee shop want to looka t the architectural blueprints of the building, and federation is clearly unable to pre-empt raiding behavior automatically.