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Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by timcobb on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @11:58AM (#36312174)
This is all true for getting information from Google or other places. The same "critical reasoning" skills are required here, except the interaction is slightly different.
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by wadd1e on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @12:21PM (#36312512)
The problem is the average worker is more likely to blindly trust an "advanced chatbot"(from a layperson pov) than a random google result.

(edit) how many people do you think are aware of LLM hallucinations as opposed to inaccurate google results

Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by mensetmanusman on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @12:43PM (#36312936)
It's trivial to build some type of never-perfect verification on top of LLM output.

LLMs will be involved in complex tool chains like everything else.

Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by timcobb on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @12:57PM (#36313158)
> The problem is the average worker is more likely to blindly trust an "advanced chatbot"(from a layperson pov) than a random google result.

Why? Any who understands about Google or Wikipedia can understand about LLM.

Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by mrbungie on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @01:13PM (#36313386)
This. I don't think people lower their thresholds for applying critical thinking / fact checking just because it is an LLM's answer.

If someone blindly trust and use an LLM without checking for more evidence, then they would've done the same with any other source, be it Google, the newspaper or whatever.

Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by sottol on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @01:25PM (#36313557)
You know, like lawyers that present motions full of made-up case law in court?

"In a cringe-inducing court hearing, a lawyer who relied on A.I. to craft a motion full of made-up case law said he “did not comprehend” that the chat bot could lead him astray." [1]

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/08/nyregion/lawyer-chatgpt-s...

Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by timcobb on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @01:38PM (#36313735)
Yeah, lawyers can be negligent and lazy, too
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by wadd1e on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @02:59PM (#36315133)
I think you're giving too much credit to the average user, empirically, we as humans tend to question less and believe more about things that are beyond our understanding, and LLMs are certainly way more of a black box than a search engine. The idea of a search engine is intuitive enough, but a large language model which involves maths that people likely haven't even heard of? and is the next big thing(TM) and will revolutionise the world? Yeah I have a feeling it will take some time before the average user understands the ins and outs of this tech.

Also the problem isn't necessarily about understanding the tech, but more about how it will be perceived at first. As long as every big player hypes up the tech as if it's perfect and revolutionary, I can't blame people for blindly trusting it at first(because it might as well work for most things they use it for, it will take some time before the pitfalls become apparent).

Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by krrrh on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @02:15PM (#36314369)
If you query Wikipedia or Google for an hour on a topic you know about there’s much less of a chance you’ll get inaccurate information than with ChatGPT where it’s almost a given. Assuming people get some basic training it won’t be hard to ask someone in the class about a baseball record and then let them see ChatGPT hallucinate the players and dates.
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by davb on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @12:25PM (#36312604)
Except, LLMs don’t cite their sources accurately (if at all). A Google search may yield information with a source I can verify; my understanding is that LLMs are fundamentally incapable of doing so.
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by 2devnull on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @01:57PM (#36314006)
If one gave you a 10,000 page bibliography would you read all the sources? The same problem exists (long bibliographies) in human knowledge transfer. I’m suggesting this is an architectural issue, not a LLM problem per se. LLMs are not supposed to be AGI.
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by creata on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @02:13PM (#36314328)
I never need to read all the sources, only the sources that are relevant to the bits that I'm referencing, no?
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by 2devnull on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @04:14PM (#36316337)
If you only need bits of info with citation, an LLM can do that. It’s synthesis that’s the problem. It’s true for humans as well.
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by NBJack on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @08:03PM (#36319417)
An actual citation and a string that happens to be formatted to look like a citation are very different. I wish we were at the point that most LLMs could do the former.
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by hughesjj on Wednesday June 14, 2023 @04:36AM (#36323126)
I've seen the former happen for some GitHub docs and when enabling plugins.

I agree there's cause for concern, and I hope it's a gradual rollout that's introspected in between each propagation of such, but I definitely think it's viable to be used no more less safely than other tooling in the government today (for better or worse).

Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by gmerc on Wednesday June 14, 2023 @08:21AM (#36324760)
An LLM backed by an embedding store absolutely backs its sources. It’s a solved problem. But people cling to the narrative because that takes the fear away.
Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by pydry on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @12:09PM (#36312311)
SERPs have more cues about trustworthiness but yes it is a little bit like Google's knowledge graph results:

https://digitalreadymarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08...

Re:Microsoft Bringing OpenAI’s GPT-4 AI Model to US Governme... by rgrieselhuber on Tuesday June 13, 2023 @12:17PM (#36312452)
Friendly reminder that critical thinking is dangerous. Just trust your betters.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/18/opinion/fake-news-media-a...