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Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by HardlyCurious on Monday June 12, 2023 @06:07AM (#36291009)
The fact that we only have speculation is due to yet inability to find a natural source of covid and China's refusal to be a decent member of the world and instead chose to obstruct and hide as much as they could.

But, I'm sure china would admit to the world that their research lab was the fuck up that killed millions of people. It isn't like china would ever try to censor and control information that makes them look bad.

Re:What went on inside the Wuhan lab weeks before Covid erupted by irjustin on Monday June 12, 2023 @09:48PM (#36304088)
You're complaining to a thread that already knows this. We can complain all we want about lack of transparency and truth.

The point is - from where we stand, not where we want to be. We stand in pure speculation, and cannot create foreign policy based on "we're, like, pretty sure you did it... in our heads!"

If we did, this kind of system creates guantanamo bay and the iraq war. We hold people against their will swearing they have information. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. So we resort to torture and have murdered plenty in the name of it. What if they actually don't have the information? Then we're just torturing/murdering innocents.

Is it worth it? Personally I say no. But it won't stop us from parading around the success cases screaming "the ends justify the means".