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Re:JPEG XL against AVIF tested on ImageEngine by CharlesW on Sunday June 11, 2023 @05:47PM (#36286076)
HE-AAC is a bit better than Opus, plus has the benefit of MP3's "works everywhere" experience. I posted more detail elsewhere in the thread if you're interested.
Re:JPEG XL against AVIF tested on ImageEngine by quikee on Monday June 12, 2023 @01:25AM (#36288777)
xHE-AAC from 2016 (also known as USAC) yes. The older HE-AAC from 2003 and HE-AACv2 are not. Codecs have similar names, but they are different and released at different times.
Re:JPEG XL against AVIF tested on ImageEngine by CharlesW on Monday June 12, 2023 @11:28AM (#36295171)
USAC doesn't meet the "ubiquitous" requirement for this use case.

Regarding your claim that Opus is better than HE-AAC, here's a "Quality vs Bitrate" chart from opus-codec.org, the home of Opus: https://opus-codec.org/static/comparison/quality.svg

Note that AAC (presumably they mean "Main Profile" rather than AAC-LC) has effectively the same efficiency as Opus. HE-AAC and HE-AACv2 have a higher efficiency than both Opus and AAC, and works great at lower bitrates in comparison to AAC.

Re:JPEG XL against AVIF tested on ImageEngine by quikee on Thursday June 15, 2023 @05:42AM (#36338236)
"Regarding your claim that Opus is better than HE-AAC, here's a "Quality vs Bitrate" chart from opus-codec.org, the home of Opus: https://opus-codec.org/static/comparison/quality.svg

Note that AAC (presumably they mean "Main Profile" rather than AAC-LC) has effectively the same efficiency as Opus. HE-AAC and HE-AACv2 have a higher efficiency than both Opus and AAC, and works great at lower bitrates in comparison to AAC."

This chart just roughly outlines (according to the feeling of Opus developers at that time) what to expect from Opus - a wide range of useful bitrates. It's not anything that was actually measured or something that can be used for drawing any conclusions from it. I mean - those nice curves and lack of any detail about the codecs used should give it away.

According to public (double blind) listening test that were performed by the Hydrogen audio group Opus does win over best HE-AAC codecs available at time when the test was performed - both at 64kbps and 96kbps bitrates [1] (Multiformat Tests).

[1] https://wiki.hydrogenaud.io/index.php?title=Hydrogenaudio_Li...