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Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by cgh on Saturday June 10, 2023 @08:29PM (#36276795)
I'm not sure what the track record for FSD is so far but Autopilot's isn't great and inspires little confidence: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-a...

17 fatalities, 736 crashes.

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by asynchronous on Saturday June 10, 2023 @09:41PM (#36277128)
And yet it’s been used on several orders of magnitude more miles than any other offering. Check the numbers for general driver crashes and fatalities.
Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by BoorishBears on Saturday June 10, 2023 @10:20PM (#36277321)
> And yet it’s been used on several orders of magnitude more miles than any other offering.

Based on what? ACC/LKAS has been a feature since before Tesla even existed as a corporation. You might be confusing their claims about FSD with AP (which they very much would like you to)

Similarly, they love for people to compare AP to all driver crashes and fatalities when AP only works in the situations that are otherwise least dangerous to drivers, in cars that are newer than the average car, driven by a demographic with higher than average safety records, etc... which means AP would need to kill a lot of people to not have better numbers than average

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by concordDance on Sunday June 11, 2023 @05:23AM (#36279649)
Those are crashes WITH, not crashes BECAUSE.

Without knowing the usual amount of no fault crashes given the number of driving miles the number is meaningless

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by jbverschoor on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:21AM (#36280283)
$TSLA speaking?
Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by concordDance on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:39AM (#36282399)
I have no financial involvement in Tesla, owning neither shares nor shorts.

And even if I did, my motivation for speaking up does not affect the fact that a crash happening does not mean autopilot was at fault.

Re:Germans beat Tesla to autonomous L3 driving in the Golden... by pms on Monday June 12, 2023 @10:14AM (#36293770)
If anything, Tesla was found to be deactivating the autopilot mode at the second before a crash [1], embellishing the statistics of miles driven between crashes...

[1] PDF https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/inv/2022/INOA-EA22002-3184.PDF