Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by knorker on Saturday June 10, 2023 @05:43PM
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And that's the problem. Not any fees NY may introduce.
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by comte7092 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @06:31PM
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That’s the point.
Why does New York have to accommodate New Jersey and not the other way around?
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by umanwizard on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:43PM
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Yes, but it’s complicated by the fact that a lot of infrastructure funding is done at the federal level, which should in principle care about people in NY and NJ equally.
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by comte7092 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:57PM
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We aren’t talking about infrastructure in general though, we are talking about a relatively small area in Manhattan.
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by umanwizard on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:33AM
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At least one of the entry points to that relatively small area is a border crossing between NJ and NY, so I think even if the feds don’t own the infrastructure involved (IDK if they do or not), they at least had to sign off on it.
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by comte7092 on Sunday June 11, 2023 @02:14PM
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Just because infrastructure crosses a state boundary, doesn’t mean it requires federal sign off.
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by nemo44x on Saturday June 10, 2023 @08:07PM
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Because people from NJ put billions into the NY every year via income tax (no reciprocity with NY, hell they’re even coming after new work from home people) and tons of tourism etc. Its in NY’s best interest to accommodate NJ.
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by LeanderK on Sunday June 11, 2023 @11:59AM
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but on the other side people living in NY have to endure it. You can not just make the people living downtown dependent on the woes of the commuters. I can not imagine driving into NY as a large share of commuting mobility to make sense...it's just too big and dense
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by SSLy on Saturday June 10, 2023 @06:32PM
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Excuse my European understanding, but isn't it the state's right to make such policy, and isn't it NY's not to care about it too?
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by comte7092 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:08PM
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Yes. NY and NJ are fully independent and equal sovereign entities from one another. In general, most of the public road infrastructure is built and maintained by state and local governments (though there is some federal funding provided). Same with public transportation.
The main complication comes from the interaction between the states and the federal government.
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by throw3823423 on Sunday June 11, 2023 @01:47AM
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This is a great example of how, even when one buys the idea of giving rights to individual states over the federal government, the US state borders are rather unnatural. Someone living in Jersey City and someone living in Manhattan have an incredible amount of shared economic interests. However, the Manhattan resident shares a state government with people living in Buffalo instead. This happens in plenty if places in the US: We have more than one multi-state megalopolis, and along with it, metro areas over a million residents that are split in such a way that they count little in their respective state governments.
In most of Europe, borders have had a whole lot of time to align economic development and political organization. But the US, unlike its corporations, is against reorgs. The fact that we even get to discuss state rights for something that could be a municipal matter is, in itself, a problem.
Re:New York City will charge drivers going downtown. Other c...
by ryukafalz on Saturday June 10, 2023 @07:03PM
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It's unevenly distributed. I live in a suburb of Philadelphia and I can generally get around by bike, with a relatively frequent train into the city. I use my car something like once a week.
Just north of me is a car sewer though, so your point stands.
Have you ever been to New Jersey? The entire state is set up to make it as difficult as possible to live without a car.