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Re:Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressin... by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @02:28PM (#36273386)
Definitely agree. I would summarize it a bit differently, but when people talk about AI dangers they are usually talking about 1 of 4 different things:

1. AI eventually takes control and destroys humans (i.e. the Skynet concern).

2. AI further ingrains already existing societal biases (sexism, racism, etc.) to the detriment of things like fair employment, fair judicial proceedings, etc.

3. AI makes large swaths of humanity unemployable, and we've never been able to design an economic system that can handle that.

4. AI supercharges already widely deployed psyops campaigns for disinformation, inciting division and violence, etc.

The thing I find so aggravating is I see lots of media and self-professed AI experts focused on #1, I see lots of "Ethical AI" people solely focused on #2, but I see comparatively little focus on #3 and #4, which as you say are both happening right now. IMO #3 and #4 are far more likely to result in societal collapse than the first two issues.

Re:Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressin... by usaar333 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @04:08PM (#36274554)
#1 has high focus more due to impact than high probability.

#2 doesn't seem talked about much at this point and seems to be pivoting more to #3. #2 never had much of a compelling argument given auditability.

#3 gets mainly ignored due to Luddite assumptions driving it. I'm dubious myself over the short term - humans will have absolute advantage in many fields for a long time (especially with robotics lagging and being costly).

#4 is risky, but humans can adapt. I see collapse as unlikely.

Re:Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressin... by pwdisswordfishc on Saturday June 10, 2023 @05:46PM (#36275484)
> I'm dubious myself over the short term - humans will have absolute advantage in many fields for a long time

AI doesn’t have to be better at the humans’ job to unemploy them. It’s enough that its output looks presentable enough for advertising most of the time, that it never asks for a day off, never gets sick or retires, never refuses orders, never joins a union…

The capitalist doesn’t really care about having the best product to sell, they only care about having the lowest-cost product they can get away with selling.

Re:Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressin... by verall on Saturday June 10, 2023 @08:25PM (#36276762)
> #2 never had much of a compelling argument given auditability.

There are already AI systems which generate "scores" based on likelyhood to commit another crime (used in parole cases) and likelyhood to be a "good tenant" (used by landlords).

Don't underestimate the difficulty to fix something when the people in charge of that thing do not want it fixed.

Re:Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressin... by XorNot on Sunday June 11, 2023 @12:20AM (#36277980)
The problem is that's still not an "AI" problem: it's a "for some reason a court can decide to use a privately supplied black box decision making system".

Like, the ludicrous part is that sentence - not that it's an AI, but that any system at all is allowed to be implemented like this.

Not to mention the more serious question as to whether it can even be allowed to apply personal penalty based on statistical likelihood like this: i.e. if a recidivism rate from a white-box system was calculated at 70%, does that mean the penalty to be applied to the specific individual under question is justified?

Now that's an actual, complicated question: i.e. while no system based on demographic statistics should be used like that, what about a system based on analysis of the individuals statements and behaviors? When a human makes a judgement call that's what we're actually doing, but how do you codify that in law safely?

Re:Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressin... by RandomLensman on Saturday June 10, 2023 @05:24PM (#36275266)
Why is it that AI can only be used in detrimental ways? Surely, AI could also be used to counter, for example, 2 and 4. Claiming a net negative effect of AI isn't a trivial thing.
Re:Licensing is neither feasible nor effective for addressin... by pixl97 on Saturday June 10, 2023 @11:45PM (#36277800)
Think about it this way... AI will be used for all things, some good, some bad. Also remember that AI isn't free, it at least for some time will require a lot of resources poured into it to run.

Now with this constraint, who is going to be running AI? Large corporations, and do any corporations do stuff for the good of humanity, or is it for the greedy pocketbooks of their investors?

Regulations will be required, but governments tend to lag. Further in the US the corporations will fight tooth and nail to prevent regulations around AI.