From the HN discussion about the video of "A Conversation with Language Creators: Guido, James, Anders and Larry"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19568381

>James Gosling wants to punch the "Real Men Use VI" people.

>"I think IDEs make language developers lazy." -Larry Wall

>"IDEs let me get a lot more done a lot faster. I mean I'm not -- I -- I -- I -- I -- I'm really not into proving my manhood. I'm into getting things done." -James Gosling