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Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by myrmidon on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @08:11PM (#36235439)
Strongly disagree on (1) being a fact: Snowden basically exposed the rot in a branch of government. You argue that this made the "tree" weaker; I would counter that this actually gave an opportunity to fix and heal things (which was mostly squandered).

All that was damaged or lost was the pristine public image (which was a delusion in the first place and Snowden exposing it doesn't make him culpable).

I also dont get the whole "Snowden was a cleverly manipulated asset" attitude: Where is the evidence for that? This is exactly the kind of overcomplicated but soothing conjecture that conspiracies thrive on; Snowden put out concise and sensible descriptions of his motivations actions and timeline-- what makes you discard all that and suspect some grey eminence instead?

Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by shapefrog on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:41AM (#36238921)
> Snowden basically exposed the rot in a branch of government.

What we have learnt from the Snowden leaks as evidence by "what has changed" is that it wasnt a branch of government that is a problem, but the entire country its laws, its values and its people.

Re:10 years after Snowden's first leak, what have we learned? by hayst4ck on Thursday June 08, 2023 @04:42PM (#36248658)
I will concede that where you put your point of origin determines how you measure the damage.

What I won't concede is that if you measure relative power between Russia and the US, Snowden's actions reduced US power and increased Russian power. Not in a values sense, but in a realpolitik sense.

I think he planted a seed in our rot which will eventually destroy us. I think that seed is in the form of a warning to people of good faith and good conscience that the government is not the place for them.

I think it is probably most correct to say that we are damaging ourselves in response to Snowden's actions.

> Where is the evidence for that?

I am pretty convinced wikileaks is/was/or became part of the Russian intelligence apparatus. Assange's second hand girl accompanying him to Russia is a tragic coincidence.

Ultimately this all comes down to trust. Who should I trust and why? I am amenable to your answer, but cautious of imparting trust to Snowden himself.