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Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by danenania on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @04:46PM (#36218880)
But if we compare California to Florida/Texas, for example, we can at least say pretty conclusively though that the effect wasn't strong enough to overcome climate differences or whatever other confounding variables might be involved. So while we can't say for sure they aren't effective at all, we can place a limit on how effective they are based on the data, and as far as I'm aware, that points to them being marginal at best. They certainly aren't, in themselves, any kind of panacea for stopping a pandemic--that much has been proven.
Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by kadoban on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @05:34PM (#36219388)
Does the comparison even tell us that? There's more confounding variables than there is signal IMO.
Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by danenania on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @05:57PM (#36219605)
Well that's my point. If these measures were really so effective, then there should have been a strong signal in spite of the other variables, but we didn't see it.
Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by kadoban on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:22PM (#36219891)
The variables are all over the place though, why should the signal be strong?
Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by ghaff on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @06:33PM (#36220012)
At some point then though, it's about faith. The data is noisy but we believe this hard to discern signal to be true even in the absence of statistical evidence because it's complicated.
Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by kadoban on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @12:14AM (#36222743)
Faith in what exactly?
Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by ghaff on Wednesday June 07, 2023 @07:34AM (#36225533)
For many, that mitigation measures that so much blood, sweat, and tears were poured into at significant cost and strife must have been worthwhile even given scant evidence.
Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by danenania on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @07:11PM (#36220381)
It should be strong if the effect is strong. We find strong signal in noisy data in all kinds of contexts.

If all the states with masks and social distancing mandates had, on average, 30% less cases per capita than states without, that would be a strong signal even if it's not conclusive given all the other variables involved. I doubt any other variable could be found that would show that much signal. But we haven't see anything like that.

Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by kadoban on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @11:43PM (#36222574)
> It should be strong if the effect is strong. We find strong signal in noisy data in all kinds of contexts

And we fail to find signal, or can find whatever "signal" we want to find in all kinds of other noisy data. What says any kind of useful info is here to find?

Re:Did lockdowns work? The verdict on Covid restrictions by ghaff on Tuesday June 06, 2023 @05:16PM (#36219222)
Exactly. I've not done clinical research but I have done market research. And, while you can cherry-pick apparent differences (or lack of differences), construct stories around those, and just conclude some results are weird anomalies, at some point you need to conclude there's very little evidence there's a lot of consistent signal in some particular policy/demographic/cultural difference.