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Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by mseebach on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @02:04PM (#362156)
> * Taxi drivers tend to be unsafe drivers

> * Taxi drivers tend to drive unsafe vehicles

That's for the insurance companies to settle. It's easy to imagine that "regular" liability insurance policies will prohibit commercial transportation of humans in the vehicle.

> * Taxi drivers tend to rip off their customers

Your "P2P Car Service" rating will plummet if you rip off your customers. By the same measure, eBay and Craigslist should be blatant failures.

Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by tptacek on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @02:09PM (#362161)
That's obviously true, but I think you might be missing my points. Right now, they are:

(1) If you lose your million dollar medallion, you are out a million dollars (and likely the ability to ever get a medallion again). If you lose your P2P car service rating, you do what every scammer on every online market has done since 1995: you fake up a new one and game it with BS reviews.

(2) Many of the most severe costs of running a bad car service are externalities. I haven't had a valid drivers license in (checking...) THREE YEARS, and I drive every single day. I drive in a car with invalid plates. I get pulled over (checking...) NEVER. Take me, but make me a foreigner with no knowledge of the rules of the road, no knowledge of the city I drive in, and a record of hit and run accidents. I would do just fine in a P2P cab market.

Any system that would have me as a cab driver is one we should be skeptical of.

Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by mseebach on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @02:18PM (#362178)
But these are all issues that a well-established P2P Car Service could handle. Require drivers to submit a current copy of their license, insurance claim history and registration for the car in question every 3-6 months. Make this information available on the website (except driver's lastname and address or whatever for privacy). Put a GPS logger in each car (if it's not on, you don't get paid). Charge exclusively on a point-to-point basis (e.g. let the driver carry the risk of going in circles).
Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by tptacek on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @02:22PM (#362182)
Fine, but these are all issues that this P2P car service doesn't handle. You basically just designed a new privatized medallion system. Plenty of car services do exactly this; it seems like you just want them to have a REST web API, so someone can build the Kayak of private car service dispatchers.
Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by mseebach on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @02:46PM (#362214)
Well yeah. That would be cool.

Anyway, in a point that relates to the OP, it would be that I hope lawmakers will see this as a cue to reform and privatise taxi-regulation.

Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by cabalamat on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @08:19PM (#362572)
If taxi medallions cost a million dollars (one sold for $600,000 last year -- http://www.autoblog.com/2007/06/01/nyc-taxi-medallion-sold-f... ) then they are clearly an example of rent-seeking behaviour that rips off the public. Why would a taxi medallion cost $600,000? Because, due to the artificial shortage of them, you can force customers to pay $600,000 more than they'd pay if market fares operated.
Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by gjm11 on Thursday November 13, 2008 @09:11AM (#363043)
No.

Suppose you make a profit of P0 in a market with no medallion system, a profit of P1 in a market with a medallion system when you have no medallion, and a profit of P2 in a market with a medallion system when you have a medallion. Then that sale suggests that P2-P1 is at least $600k, but that doesn't tell us anything about P2-P0.

Probably P1 is approximately 0, at least for someone who's already got a substantial legal taxi business, since it's illegal to operate a taxi with no medallion. So we know that P2 is at least $600k. But we know nothing at all about P0; it might be just the same, or much less, or much more.

And, actually, we don't even really know that P2-P1 is at least $600k. The person who paid that much might be an idiot (unlikely) or a speculator who thinks others will foolishly be prepared to pay even more (not so unlikely); or he may think that he'll keep the medallion for a few years and then sell it for approximately the same amount. In that case, our lower bound on P2-P1 is something like 5% of $600k per year (taking 5% as a ballpark interest rate).

So: sorry, but I'm totally unconvinced. Am I missing something?

Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by cabalamat on Thursday November 13, 2008 @02:34PM (#363480)
No, you're right. What I was saying was a shorthand and an (over)simplification.
Re:Rideshare website ruled illegal by helveticaman on Wednesday November 12, 2008 @10:29PM (#362652)
You can still have a system of cab drivers who have medallions and guarantee better service and accountability, and let the market decide on which one they want to use.