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Re:Why Online Dating (Still) Sucks, and a Simple Attempt at ... by potatolicious on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @03:57AM (#3620050)
> "The fact that men send the vast majority of the messages is the inevitable result of a positive feedback loop stemming from men being slightly more aggressive in the dating arena."

I think it's more complex than this.

It's a convergence of many problems really. The first, and greatest problem with online dating is:

1 - Words are a really fucking shitty communications medium. Few people are good writers, and even fewer people are good writers when limited to the span of a few paragraphs. Body language and personality are far more self-expressive, but we have no good ways to pushing this information across the internet. Because of this, there is a tremendous reduction in range of communication. All the profiles start to read the same, because we've essentially topped out how expressively a regular person can get with 3 paragraphs to describe themselves.

In other words, when you've crunched down people's self-expression to really short paragraphs and a bunch of multiple choice answers, personality disappears. And its place, the only sane metric one profile from another is physical attractiveness. Which leads to the next big problem...

2 - There are no salient indicators of competition online, quite unlike the real world. How many of us here go after statuesque model-types, exclusively? Bueller? But we do it online, because without the ability to appreciate someone's personality, looks are the only measuring stick you've got left. In the real world this is balanced out the fact that competition is extremely visible, especially in an environment like a club or a bar.

You see a girl being hit on by an endless stream of guys. Do you line up and join the fray? Or maybe you find something else?

Online these signals do not exist, which means all men will simply line up to hit on the hottest subset of the population without knowing just how long this sausagefest-line is, and the complement of this is that anyone who isn't in, say, the upper quartile of physical attractiveness, will get crickets (or the spamalot shotgunner-types).

tl;dr, the problem is twofold: poor communication medium means that personality and unique traits are impossible to express well over the dating network, leading to physical attractiveness becoming the only major factor in almost all decisions, and everyone (guys and girls) become way pickier than they would be IRL. Lack of visible competition drives traffic to only most attractive portion of population, where in real life visible competition will drive a considerable amount of "traffic" back towards average lookers.

Re:Why Online Dating (Still) Sucks, and a Simple Attempt at ... by jaredsohn on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @05:46AM (#3620331)
>Online these signals do not exist

On OkCupid, they show a dot on each profile to indicate how responsive the person is. My understanding that any woman who gets an extreme number of messages will have a red dot, since it is impractical for her to respond to all of those messages. They also have star ratings, which should indicate how generally desirable the person is on the site.

Re:Why Online Dating (Still) Sucks, and a Simple Attempt at ... by potatolicious on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @02:27PM (#3622116)
On OKC star ratings are not exposed to users - you get to rate someone, and they get to rate you, and those are (to some extent) visible, but there's no such thing as "average user rating" or anything remotely close to it.

> " My understanding that any woman who gets an extreme number of messages will have a red dot"

Except... every guy has a green dot and nearly every girl as a red dot. This is not a salient indicator of anything - for all you know she's just very particular, but doesn't get a lot of messages (I've certainly seen profiles like this). Or, she might be getting literally hundreds of messages a day. Or hell, maybe she's getting spammed with one-liners but never gets a real message. In anycase, whatever the reason, when 90% of your population has a red dot, it ceases to become a filter for anything.

The "replies selectively" messaging on the site is borderline useless, and certainly doesn't accomplish the competition signaling that would actually work to drive some traffic from one group to another.

Re:Why Online Dating (Still) Sucks, and a Simple Attempt at ... by DanBC on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @08:45AM (#3620809)
Except people are unlikely to give someone a one or two star rating, and are likely to give four or five star ratings.
Re:Why Online Dating (Still) Sucks, and a Simple Attempt at ... by jaredsohn on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @08:58AM (#3620855)
At least for women rating men on OkCupid in 2009, that's wrong. http://alvanista.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/another-okcupid-st... "Women on OkCupid have rated 80% of the men as unattractive." "The median man averaged 1.5 stars out of 5"

Also, all 1, 2, and 3 ratings are seen only by the person who made the rating so there is no penalty for rating someone low.

But it doesn't matter if the ratings are distributed evenly; there will still be some variance. Users who pay to have "A-List memberships" can use those ratings to search for matches of at least {3, 4, 5} stars to restrict their matches to the more heavily sought.

Re:Why Online Dating (Still) Sucks, and a Simple Attempt at ... by orangepi on Wednesday February 22, 2012 @11:16AM (#3621390)
Huh. Your list of the greatest problems of online dating sum up why online dating really works for me.

1. I'm really, really verbally oriented. If you're not at least decent with words, which usually carries over into being a pretty good writer, that conversation would peter out pretty quickly, whether it started online or not. The people I'd be interested in anyway appear to have plenty of personality.

2. I don't have a picture up on my profile. I recommend this to every girl that bitches to me about online dating. I therefore get almost none of the "Hurr, you're cute, wanna go out?" messages, and when I do, they're obvious dumb spam cause, well...no picture. If someone messages me/replies to a message from me, it's because they think I'm fun.

Re:Why Online Dating (Still) Sucks, and a Simple Attempt at ... by dmragone on Thursday February 23, 2012 @11:53PM (#3628089)
Thanks for sharing your usage - I don't think dating sites are one-size-fits-all, and it's great to hear that you've made them work for you. I love your idea of not having a picture up there. So simple, yet probably hugely helpful for you.