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Re:Thousands of early-career NIH researchers forming union f... by MontyCarloHall on Monday June 05, 2023 @10:34AM (#36196709)
Activists can apply social and political pressure without being in a union. The distinguishing aspect of union activism is the union's ability to collectively bargain, backed by its ability to collectively strike, with grave consequences to the employer.

As you say, even "if basic bioscience research stopped [in its entirety], it would be years before the effects trickled out publicly." If the consequences of a strike are not grave to the employer (even if you could get everyone on board), then the power backing the union is greatly diminished.

Re:Thousands of early-career NIH researchers forming union f... by jancsika on Monday June 05, 2023 @11:39AM (#36197883)
Everything you claim here applies to the careers of members of the writers guild. It takes years to release movies/shows.

Yet somehow the power backing their union has historically not been "greatly diminished," at least not compared to other unions.

Re:Thousands of early-career NIH researchers forming union f... by MontyCarloHall on Monday June 05, 2023 @11:46AM (#36198007)
There are many key differences:

* A movie/show being delayed mostly has extreme financial consequences for the studio employer, not for the individual writer employees. By contrast, a scientific publication being delayed mostly has extreme career consequences for the individual scientist employees, not for their employer institution.

* The NIH's funding comes from the US government. A studio's revenue comes from the audience. NIH funding is unlikely to decrease as the result of a researcher strike, whereas a studio's revenue will unequivocally decrease as the result of a writer strike.

* Few people outside of the scientific community will directly perceive the consequences of NIH research being postponed for a few months. On the other hand, many people who enjoy watching movies/TV will directly feel the impact of favorite shows being postponed or cancelled.

* As demonstrated in [0], the effects of the strike are already glaringly evident after just a month, and will be even more evident after a few more months.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_productions_impacted_b...

Re:Thousands of early-career NIH researchers forming union f... by ProjectArcturis on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:21PM (#36204872)
A union's power is not solely in the ability to threaten to strike. Collective bargaining, for one. Right now, there is zero bargaining for postdocs over salary or benefits. You start work and you get the salary on the chart for your years of experience. How were those numbers decided? I don't know, but actual current postdocs had zero input. Simply forcing the NIH to have to sit down at a table and justify their (unjustifiable) numbers with the union would be a win.