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Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by sidesideangle on Sunday June 04, 2023 @09:18PM (#36191180)
Why do you say they are not capable of reasoning?
Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by charles_f on Sunday June 04, 2023 @09:52PM (#36191380)
What a weird question, it really should be reversed shouldn't it?

But here goes. It's a language model. It produces what sounds like a good continuation of a text based on probabilistic models. While it sounds like human generated content, "it" doesn't actually "think". It doesn't have a culture. It doesn't have thoughts. "It" is a model that generates text that mimics what human whose text it has trained on would have answered. We humans have a tendency to associate that with a sentient thing producing it, but it is not sentient. It is a tree of probabilities with a bit of a randomization on top of it.

Ergo, it cannot reason.

Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by flangola7 on Sunday June 04, 2023 @11:13PM (#36191820)
In the words of Geoffrey Hinton: to accurately produce the next token you must have an understanding of the world you're talking about.

Sentience? Consciousness? Who knows. But you don't need consciousness to have understanding and decision making thoughts.

Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by JohnFen on Monday June 05, 2023 @06:12PM (#36204733)
> to accurately produce the next token you must have an understanding of the world you're talking about.

I don't think this is true. It seems to me that you could do this through sheer statistics, and have no understanding of the world you're talking about at all.

Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by flangola7 on Monday June 05, 2023 @09:36PM (#36206948)
>It seems to me that you could do this through sheer statistics, and have no understanding of the world you're talking about at all.

I'm not sure that there is a difference. If there is, what would be an example of true understanding vs just statistics? All of intelligence is ultimately recognizing patterns and layers of patterns of patterns.

Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by bbor on Monday June 05, 2023 @01:01AM (#36192506)
A good paper I know of written to directly refute this comment’s line of reasoning, by a British chap named Alan: https://academic.oup.com/mind/article/LIX/236/433/986238
Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by charles_f on Monday June 05, 2023 @11:49AM (#36198053)
A good article I know of written to directly sustain this comment's line of reasoning, by an American chap named Noam: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/08/opinion/noam-chomsky-chat...
Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by visarga on Monday June 05, 2023 @02:36AM (#36193139)
/s

Humans are just electrochemical reactions of protein in water. Ergo, they cannot reason.

There's no thinking in any molecule making our bodies. Ask any one of them "who am I?", they can't reply.

Or should we stop looking at the low level and draw conclusions about higher levels of emergence? Protein reactions or matrix multiplications, it doesn't matter. What makes us is the whole "game" we are part of.

Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by kymki on Monday June 05, 2023 @02:47AM (#36193216)
I would say that you are jumping to a lot of conclusions here. Lets dig deeper.

"It doesn't have a culture. It doesn't have thoughts"

These are conclusions. What is your reasoning?

To what degree would you say that human decision making can be explained by this statement:

"It is a tree of probabilities with a bit of a randomization on top of it."

Re:Social media for AI bots: “No humans allowed” by charles_f on Monday June 05, 2023 @11:44AM (#36197970)
Once again, it seems to me that the burden of proof for claiming that a piece of software is sentient should not be on the discarding side.

What is your reasoning to prove that it has culture and reasoning, that its abilities go beyond mimicking human discourse?