News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday June 04, 2023 @12:33PM (#36186981)
> - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation?

One of the main options pointed at is low-power x86 boxes, which are better than Pis ever were. The rest of the ARM ecosystem is, I agree, poor.

> - people (often Americans) saying that the Pi has been "supply-constrained for five years". It really hasn't; it wasn't particularly supply-constrained in the UK until about five or six months into the pandemic.

Then it really has; there being a supply in the UK isn't exactly useful to most of the world.

> What I don't understand is this: how is it, if you've not been able to get hold of something for _five_ years, there's been no obvious co-ordinated attempts to get mainline support for the alternatives, or even any attempt to match the documentation? Five years was plenty of time to pick a single series of devices and match the same level of kernel support, surely? Couldn't it have been crowdfunded?

Partially, nobody was expecting it to actually take that long. If at the start of the shortage we'd known it was going to be 5 years, there probably would have been more of a push. OTOH some of the alternatives have been getting more polished.

> It's almost as if most of the people whining are just upset there isn't a cheap device they can drop into a Kodi box without any effort.

Okay. Yes? That's a valid usecase.

Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by derefr on Sunday June 04, 2023 @01:04PM (#36187272)
> One of the main options pointed at is low-power x86 boxes, which are better than Pis ever were.

In terms of what? Battery usage at idle? BOM to operationalize the design? Surely not.

> > It's almost as if most of the people whining are just upset there isn't a cheap device they can drop into a Kodi box without any effort.

> Okay. Yes? That's a valid usecase.

Funny enough, all throughout the pandemic the one thing that kept being made was Android streaming boxes. I'm pretty sure it's dead simple to wipe those and put Kodi on them. So it's not much of a valid use-case. (I'd instead expect most hobbyists who want Pis, to actually want them for running game-console emulators — specifically, emulators for consoles new enough that those weaker streaming boxes would struggle with them.)

Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by skykooler on Sunday June 04, 2023 @01:21PM (#36187445)
The Pi is not stellar in terms of battery usage at idle, either. Its CPU doesn't have proper power management handling, which is why all homemade raspi-based phones/tablets/etc have a <6hr battery life.
Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by rcarmo on Sunday June 04, 2023 @02:00PM (#36187806)
Some of those Android TV boxes actually had pirated apps of various kinds - and SoCs that were gimped to the extent where you really needed the source to rebuild that particular version of Android.
Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by yjftsjthsd-h on Sunday June 04, 2023 @04:53PM (#36189493)
>>> - people saying that there are "more performant" devices. Sure, there are. How do they perform in terms of kernel support and documentation?

>> One of the main options pointed at is low-power x86 boxes, which are better than Pis ever were. The rest of the ARM ecosystem is, I agree, poor.

> In terms of what? Battery usage at idle? BOM to operationalize the design? Surely not.

I was responding to kernel support; x86 boxes can usually just run straight mainline Linux with no problem, which is far better than most of the ARM ecosystem (even Pis aren't running mainline, they're just a well-supported downstream).

> Android streaming boxes. I'm pretty sure it's dead simple to wipe those and put Kodi on them

There are alternatives, but then we're back to spotty support, fragmented ecosystems, and using a Pi for video streaming is still a valid usecase.

Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by dingledork69 on Sunday June 04, 2023 @01:38PM (#36187594)
> Then it really has; there being a supply in the UK isn't exactly useful to most of the world.

There being a shortage in the US isn't exactly relevant to most of the world.

Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by xony on Sunday June 04, 2023 @09:06PM (#36191117)
lol , nowhere its available.
Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by dingledork69 on Monday June 05, 2023 @12:41PM (#36198980)
I've bought several over the past few years, including during the pandemic, without any issues from some local distributors in the EU.
Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by hoschicz on Monday June 05, 2023 @08:12AM (#36195167)
Can you give some examples of the low-power x86 boxes? As of my last knowledge update :) none of them took off
Re:At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to a... by neurostimulant on Monday June 05, 2023 @10:23AM (#36196572)
HP T620 is one of the popular ones.